David Hayde

Jan 152014
 

The tax records of 1666/7 recorded a James Head from Kilballyherberry, Ballysheehan.  He was probably one of the 10 Heade (and variant) families recorded in Middlethird in the 1659 census.

By the time of the census in 1766, the two families in this area were Philip and Maria Kearney and John and Maria Monaghan. These two couples both had large families however I can only find the descendants of Philip and Maria in the Killenaule parish records.

By the time of the tithe taxes in the 1820s, the descendants in the area were Thomas and Cath Kivane and Patrick and Cath Kelly both farming at Killhill, Kilballyherberry.  They were both grandchildren of Philip and Maria.

The parish records also show Patrick and Judith Bradley in Killhill in the 1830s.

Thomas married Cath Kivane circa 1803 and Patrick married Margaret Kirwan in 1811 and then Cath Kelly in 1813. They both had families at Killhill between 1810 and 1840.

In 1827, Thomas and Patrick  were farming on land owned by The Estate of Oliver Latham Esq. Patrick had a plot of 3a 1r 0p and Thomas’s plot was 3a 3r 0p. They both defaulted on these tithes in the 1830s and were not on this land in the 1850s.

The eldest son of Thomas and Cath’s was Patrick (b 1803). He married Margaret Farrell in Carlow in circa 1840 and immigrated to London in the late 1840s during the potato famine.  One of their sons (the only child to live long enough to have a family) joined the British army.  He went to India with the army where he married and had a large family.  Descendants live in England, India, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.  This is Tree # 1.

Other sons moved to Ballinure and descendents are in the Ballinure/Cashel area. These families, and other descendants from the Killhill families are Tree # 10.

Records in London in 1870 (relating to Patrick b 1803) indicate that Thomas and Cath had died by then.  Given that Patrick could not read or write and had left Ireland by the late 1840s, I suspect they may have died by the time Patrick and Margaret left Ireland. By the 1840s they would have been in their 60s, which is much longer than life expectancy at the time

A copy of the early branches of the family can be found below:

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Research notes from the parish records, the civil records, valuation records, directories, graveyards and the 1901 and 1911 census for this area are Ballinure and Killenaule Families

A map of the area is as follows:

Jan 262015
 

The tax records of 1666/7 showed Edward Heade and James Heade from the Ballingarry area. Edward was at Lisnamrock and James at Farranrory. They were probably two of the 10 Heade (and variants) in Slievardagh in the 1659 census.

By the time of the tithe taxes of the 1820s, a descendant still in the area was Patrick at Boula (Boulinthea).  He was baptized in 1806 when parish records were started.  He appears to have been an adult at the time and was sponsored by John Langley, a large landowner in the area.

At the time of the 1850 valuations, the two families living at Boula were John and Lawrence Hayde.

Lawrence (b 1812) and Ellen Doran arrived in Cardiff around 1836.  Descendants are in Cardiff. Their Irish origins are unknown but the most logical assumption is that they came from this area as Doran families were neighbours of the Hayde families in Boula.

Other cousins of Lawrence went to America and some stayed in Ballingarry.  The Ballingarry family died out while I have found no descendants of the emigrants to America.

The three branches to this tree are:

1)  The Lawrence who moved to Cardiff and settled there.  This family is covered in more detail in the Welsh Family Posts page.

2)  Patrick Heade from Boulea who was in the Tithe records in 1834. His sons were:

  • John Hayde, who was farming 46 acres in 1850 and by 1890 was farming 100 acres.
  • Laurence Hayde, who was also in Boulea in the 1850s
  • Thomas Hayde, who had moved to Clonmel by the 1850s

I have found no living male descendants of Patrick.

3)  William, who was a teacher at Lisnamrock in 1824.

Henry and Ellen, two of William’s children, were in New York in the 1850s.  Another, Richard, was transported to Australia in 1843.  I have found no descendants of any of these people.

Boulea is:

Lisnamrock is:

 

Extracts from the Ballingarry parish records, the civil records, tombstones, valuation records, census returns and other records are Ballingarry Families

 

The tree is shown below:

 

 

 

Jan 242016
 

A few Hayde families were in the area north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry by 1800. These were:

Kilduff to Middleton, Lancashire, England

In the 1830s, Patrick and Michael were in Kilduff, a town in the foothills of the Kilduff mountains north west of Templemore.

I have not found any descendants of Michael.

Patrick seems to have died some time between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England.

Patrick Hayde, a son of Patrick, went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met a Lavina Kelly.  They married in Oldham in 1866 and had 3 sons and 3 daughters. In 1871 they were living in Middleton and descendants still live in Middleton.

A brother, John  b 1833, also had a family in the area but adopted the Hade variant in the late 1800s.

Another brother, Peter b 1842, emigrated to America in 1868.  He settled in Detroit, Michigan and his children were variously named Hade and Hayde.

Mardyke to Oldham, Lancashire, England

Patrick and Ellen (Doran/Dearan/Gorman) arrived in Oldham between 1829 and 1831 with 3 children.  They had a further 3 children in Oldham.  I found the baptism of the oldest child in the parish of Killenuale and Moyglass in 1836 where their residence was stated as Mardyke (I think they baptised an older child on a trip back to Ireland from Oldham).

There are many other Hayde/Heade families in this area being just north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry. Mardyke is a township just south of Templemore, which is not far from Kilduff.

One of their children John Hayde, was ordained as a priest in Italy in 1867.  He was in Cork in 1861 and again from 1877 to 1887.  From 1873 to 1877 and then from 1887 to 1914 (when he died) he was at parishes in Cardiff.

Official church records describe how he was very popular with parishioners.

Mardyke to Great Bolton, England

Also in Mardyke in the 1830s were James and Bridget Meagher.  Their children, and grand children,  were:

  • Michael Heade b 1826 Ballingarry parish
    • James was probably farming in Lickfinn in the 1830s as was Michael in the 1850s
  • Tom Heade b 1828 Gortnahoe parish
  • John Hayde b 1833 Mardyke, Killenaule parish
    • John married Mary Murphy in Rotheran, Yorkshire in the 1866.  They had 6 children in Rotheran and Bolton, Lancashire.
  • James Hayde b 1835 Mardyke, Killenaule parish

Wigan, England

Edward Hade (b 1811), son of John a gardener, arrived in Wigan before 1840.  He married Mary Morgan and had a son Peter in 1840.  By 1851 both Mary and Peter had died and he remarried, as Edward Hayde, a Margaret Conroy.  I have not found his Irish origins but I am treating him as connected to Tree #7 in the absence of any other option.

In 1851 a John Gorman was staying with them.  This provides a link (tenuous) to Ellen Gorman above.

Littleton to Warwickshire and Channel Islands

I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish.  These are:

  • James Heade b 1808
  • John Hade b 1811.
    • John married Mary Ann Campbell in Leamington, Warwickshire in 1837.  They had several children in Warwickshire and adopted the Hade variant.
  • Patrick Heade/Hade b 1821.
    • Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolahaha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles.  They had 2 children baptised in the Thurles parish and by 1851 they were on Alderney, in the Channel Islands.  One daughter, Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881.

The baptism of James noted their address as New Street, which appears to be in the village of Littleton.  This town is 5 miles south east of Thurles on the road to Ballinure and Killenaule.

Patrick, the elder, was recorded as a clerk.  It is interesting to speculate what clerical work he was doing at the time and indeed how he managed to obtain the skills.

A Thomas Hayde from Littleton (b circa 1818 – 1823), joined the Dublin Met Police in 1850 (aged 27) and could also have been another son. He died a bachelor in 1864 (aged 46).

A Michael Hayde b 1829 joined the RIC and then the army in Dublin in 1850.  His army records stated he was born Moycarky parish, near Thurles. He served in the Crimean War in 1855 and retired to Dublin after 21 year service. In the 1901 census he was in Clonmel with his sister Catherine Ryan (a widow) and Catherine and Mary Roach (niece and grand niece).  Michael is probably related.

There is also a James Hayde who joined the RIC in 1849.  He was recorded as being born in Tipperary North in 1826.  He resigned in 1853 and emigrated to America. He traveled on Compromise from Liverpool which arrived in New York on 7 Sept 1853. I have however not found him in any American census or other records.

The detailed research notes can be seen at Tipperary North Families

Jan 042015
 

There was no sign of Hayde (or anything similar) in this area in the 1659 census or the 1666/7 Hearth Money Records.

The earliest relevant entry in the catholic parish records relate to an Edmond Head (?), his wife Judith and a son Phillip.  Phillip married Catherine Magher in 1778 and he was referred to a being from Skinbutler, Aherney.  They had a least one child in Lisdowney parish.

The detailed records from this area are at Urlingford, Kilkenny Families

Maps of the various places referred to follow:

 

 

Jan 262015
 

The name Kilkenny is an anglicisation of a Gaelic name that translates as the Church of St Canice. It was the site of Catholic worship established by St Canice in the sixth century.  It is in the northern part of Kilkenny city known as Irishtown.

The records of early wills showed that a Michael Heade from Irishtown died in 1739 and left his estate to Mary Heade, a widow (presumably his wife).

Irishtown was quite separate from the rest of Kilkenny in the 16th century.  It had its own walls, its own Corporation and its own laws.  It was the oldest part of the city and it is the area to the north of the river running through the centre of the city.  To the south was St Mary’s and to the east was St John’s parish.

St Canice

The Catholic parish records for St Canice started in 1768.  I have searched these and have found the records of a James and Mary Whelan in the 1850s that also featured in the Griffiths survey of 1849 (as Hade). They were living at Butts Cross, an old part of the parish where traces of other ancestors living in Butts went back to 1816.  Descendants from this family, using the Heade variant, emigrated to America in 1870. I have lost track of them after 1920 and have not found a living descendant.

Butts Cross is shown on the map below:

 

St Mary’s

The parish records for St Mary’s started in 1754 and I have found two families in these records in the late 1700s.  These were:

1) Henry Hayde, his wife Mary Mauris and children with births recorded as Hayde. One of the children, Richard, joined the army in 1790 and later fought at Waterloo.

2) Patrick Heade who married Catherine Carroll in 1777.  However I have found no trace of children.

St John’s

St John’s records started in 1809 and these showed a number of Hayde/Haid/Haide births and marriages in the mid 1800s.  I have traced descendants to 1911 Kilkenny City census records where they were using Haide and Hade surnames.

I believe these families originated in the St Canice parish and are related.

The detailed notes on the research in this area can be seen at Kilkenny City Families

May 192016
 

John and James Hayde were farming at Moanmore in 1827. This is an area that has no obvious connections to areas where Haydes were more prevalent at the time.

It can only be assumed that they were brothers and perhaps their father married someone from this area which caused him to move away from another area and settle here.

The location can be seen below:

 

John and James both had children in the 1820s and 1830s and James was still in the area when he died in 1872.  There are no births in this area after the 1840s and after James died in 1872 there is no trace of any other family members in the parish, civil or census records.

Church, civil and census records are at Dunnamaggan, Kilkenny Families

I have also not been able to trace any living descendants.

Jan 222015
 

Descendants from this area can be traced back to one of:

  • Patrick Hayde/Hade, who in 1770 farmed 5 acres at Ballylennon, that he had leased from Chris Walker,
  • John Hayde, who in 1830 farmed 8 acres in Ballyvergal, or
  • Michael Hayde, who had a small landholding at Rutland (Urglin) in 1830, or
  • Patrick Hade, who had a small landholding at Straboe in 1833,

Ballylennon, Ballyvergal and Urglin are within a mile of each other while Straboe is 5 miles away.

The Ballylennon and Ballyvergal families signed Oaths of Allegience to the Crown authorities in 1798, probably to avoid being evicted.  They were also active in the local militia at the time.

The Catholic parish records started in 1787 (Carlow) and 1806 (Tinryland).  These are the earliest records.  There is no sign of them in the area in the 1600s.

I know from DNA tests on descendants that the DNA of this family is very similar to the families that originated in Ballinure (Trees 1, 9, 10 etc) therefore the Carlow families seemingly originated in Tipperary and moved north.  There are many theories as to why but none yet proven.

The detailed research on the area can be viewed at Carlow Families

As mentioned in the research notes above, there is a place in Carlow called Ballyhade.  It is just north of the town of Palatine which is close by Ballylennon and Ballyvergal. In a 1790 map it was shown as Ballyheath.  I have asked people who have lived in Palatine if they know of the origins of the name and have also inquired at the Carlow library.  I have not found any information on the derivation of this name so do not know if there is any connection between this place and our name.

Descendants have been traced to America as well as many others who have stayed in the area.  Those that I have traced have all adopted the Hade surname.

The tree of the earlier Carlow ancestors is:

 

Jan 042015
 

In 1849, John Hayde joined the Royal Irish Constabulary.  In the enlistment papers he was recorded as being born in 1830 in Tipperary South, he was a carpenter by trade and was 5 foot 8 1/8th inches tall.

He served for 30 years and was pensioned in 1879.

He raised his family in Naas, Kildare and descendants ran various shops in Naas in the late 1800s and 1900s.

Descendants are in Dublin, England and various other parts of Ireland.

I have not found his birth in any Tipperary South parish records so I have not been able to link John to any other families. The nearest possibility is a John Hayde b 1826 in Fethard parish.

In addition, the DNA of a descendant does not match that of any other families so I cannot ascertain linkages to any other families. More DNA testing may provide some clues.

John and his early descendants are shown in the tree below:

Tree #8

Jan 222015
 

In the 1700s there were three Hayde families in the area.  William and Anne (Scalp area), Richard and Hanna (Newtown area), Julies and Rosa (Blackhill).  I have assumed that they were brothers (born around 1760) and have also assumed that their parents were Laurence and Bridget (after their first borns).  This is however a guess.

The comprehensive summary of parish and civil records for these families can be found at Kildare and Wicklow Families

The DNA of a descendant is similar to that of Hayde families from Tipperary.  There is therefore a link to Tipperary that has yet been found.