Oct 292017

As outlined in the Irish Research page, there were two relevant families in the Ballinure and Noan area in 1659. From the 1665/6/7 Heath records these can be seen as:

  • John at Ballinure (a townland in the civil parishes of Graystown and Ballysheehan and the Catholic parishes of Killenuale and Boherlahan and Dualla)
  • Thomas at Graystown (Noan is a townland in the civil parish of Graystown and the Catholic parish of Killenaule)

No records from the 1766 Religious census exist for this area so the Catholic parish records and the Tithe taxes in 1830 need to be relied upon to pick up the thread of ancestors.

The following families were in the Tithe records of 1830:

  • John Heade. John was at Noan. He married Elizabeth Wilson and they had a family in the late 1700s/early 1800s.
  • Edmund Heade. Edmund was at Noan. He married Ellen Carroll and they had a family in the early 1800s.
  • James Heade. James was at Noan. He married Catherine Carty and they had a family in the early 1800s. One son was at Carrow in 1850 and another at # 13 or 15 Noan in 1850. Descendants are in Noan, Ballinure and America as outlined below.

Ballinure and Noan were adjoining villages as can be seen from the map below.

These families were:

John and Elizabeth Wilson – Noan 1830

  • James Head b 1796
  • Michael Head b 1800

Edmond and Ellen CarrollNoan in 1830

  • Ellen Head b 1815, Ballinure
  • Mary Hayde b 1822, Ballinure

James and Catherine Carty – Noan in 1830 – Tree # 10

  • Ellen Hade b 1814. Mar James Fair in 1843 and emigrated 1848 to America. Settled in Wisconsin
  • James Hayde b 1818, Ballinure. Mar Cath Quinlan. Carrow in 1850 as Hayde. In 1850 they were in a house on the main road between Ballinure and Dually. They moved from this house in the 1860s and were in Thurles in 1880s-1908.
    • Mary Hayd b 1846, Carrow (a townland north of Dually)
    • James Hayd b 1849, Carrow
    • Denis Hayde b 1851, Carrow
    • Thomas Head b 1854, Garraun
  • Edmond b ?. Mar Margaret Byrne – Noan (#13 or 15) as Hayde in 1850
    • Patrick Hayde b 1839, Ballinure
    • Ellen Hayde b 1842, Ballinure
    • Margaret Hayde b 1844, Piercetown (Noan) – Mar Boston in 1873
    • Edmond Hayde b 1847, Piercetown. Mar Mary Shea.
      • Had a family in Ballinure. Some emigrated to Boston in early 1900s.
    • Richard Hayde b 1852. Mar Margaret Ellie, Boston 1882. They did not appear to have any children.
    • Kate Hayde b 1853, Piercetown
    • Alice Hayde b 1855, Ballinure – Died Boston 1887
    • Mary Hayde b 1857, Ballinure – Emigrated to Boston

By the time of the Griffiths records in 1850, there was also the following family in the area:

Patrick Hayde married Margaret Loughlin at Ballinure in 1846 – 12a Ballinure in 1850. This is in the subtownland of Piercetown

  • Mary Heade b 1847, Ballinure

They also had a Patrick….

There are also other Hayde/Heade and Hade families in the early parish records as can be seen from the detailed research notes made from the parish records, the civil records, valuation records, directories, graveyards and the 1901 and 1911 census for this area in Ballinure and Killenaule Families

These include:

Patrick and Joanna Power – Tree # 6

Patrick joined the army at Kilkenny in 1842.  One of his children were baptised in Killenaule parish which links him to the family.  This family is described in more detail in the Bury Posts page.

The DNA of a descendant is also very similar to descendants of Trees # 1, # 9 and # 10 which also links him to this area.

Edmond and Catherine Liddy. Edmond died 1865 aged 40. It is not entirely clear from the parish records who his parents were. Catherine and family emigrated to New York in the late 1860s. This is Tree # 9 and is described in more detail in the New York posts page.

Is he 9d Noan 1850 as Hayde?

  • Patrick Hayde b 1850, Ballinure
  • John Heade b 1852, Ballinure
  • Cath Hayde b 1853
  • Elizabeth Hayde b 1855, Ballinure
  • Ellen Hayde b 1857, Ballinure
  • Edmund Hayde b 1859, Ballinure
  • Mary Hayde b 1861
  • Bridget Hayde b 1863, Ballinure

The Griffiths map of the area in the 1850s is below:

Ballinure is the village in the centre.

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Ballinure can also be seen at the modern map below.

Center map


The original parish church in Ballinure is now rather dilapidated as can be seen from the photo below.

This church is just outside Ballinure on the road to Dually.  It has several Hayde graveyards.

I suspect all the Hayde families from Killhill, Killenaule, Ballinure and Noan gathered at this church.

Dec 282017

Patrick and Johanna Power

Patrick Hayde joined the 31st Foot on 10 April 1842 aged 18 (ie born 1824 [1]) at Kilkenny.  His enlistment papers stated that he was born in Fethard, Fethard parish, Tipperary.  He was a tailor by trade and he was 5’ 7 with blue eyes, brown hair and a sallow complexion.  Unfortunately I cannot find his birth record in the Fethard (or any other) parish records.

In 1846 he was transferred to the 50th Foot and then to the 32nd Regiment where he served until 1853.  He was discharged having served 11 years due to ill health.  He had hepatitis and a disease of the lungs.

In 1854 he was in Clonmel and in 1857 he was a sergeant in the South Tipperary Militia based in Waterford.

In 1858 he joined the 20th Foot (2nd Bn) at Cahir (which is south of Cashel and not far from Clonmel) as a sergeant (two weeks after the birth of his second child) and was again discharged in 1863.  The regiment was based in Ireland until 1858, then Aldershot to 1861, Montreal to 1862 then back to Aldershot before moving to Portsmouth in 1863.

Patrick purchased his discharge from the army in 1863 for pds18[2].

From 1863 until 1866 he was instructing privately.

He and his wife, Johanna Power, had 6 sons and 4 daughters.  They lived in Ireland to 1858 then at Taunton (1864, 1866), Portsmouth (1868, 1870), Liverpool (1873) and Bury (1875).  In 1866 he was back to being a tailor.  In 1868 he was a civil guard in Portsea, by 1870 he was a sick bay steward on HMS Volage[3], then he was on HMS Hercules, and by 1873 he was a Greenwich pensioner and in 1875 a Chelsea pensioner.

I found the marriage of Patrick and Johanna in Clonmel records in 1855.  They were both recorded as paupers.  Their first child in 1856 was baptized in Clonmel parish.

A son was born in Killenaule in 1862 when Patrick was serving with the army in Canada. This clearly connects them to the Ballinure area.

It is also interesting how Patrick was in Taunton at the same time that Edward (see Tree # 1) enlisted in the 67th Foot at the same place in 1867.

In June 1876 a son, Joseph, was on trial for larceny.  He was acquitted.

In 1871, Johanna was recorded in the Portsmouth census as being the wife of a steward in the Royal Navy.  Patrick died in Bury in 1880 and at the time of the 1881 census his wife Johanna was living in Bury, with 9 children (one had died young).  It appears that Patrick and family moved to Bury around 1875, when Patrick was almost 50.  Bury has the barracks for the Lancashire Fusilliers, which was what the 20th Foot became.

He may have moved there to be close to his old regiment. Perhaps he had a pension from the army, or maybe he just wanted to be close to old colleagues.

Two of their children, William Augustine (born 1860) and George Vincent (born 1866) emigrated to America in the late 1880s.  The rest stayed and their many descendants are mainly in this area, although in the last 30 years have spread south.  I have found the descendants of William in America but not those of George.

According to a descendant, Patrick was a Bandmaster in the Lancashire Fusiliers.  I however did not find this referred to in the Army records.  My ancestor from Tree # 1 was however a Bandmaster and I wondered if the relative had mixed up the stories she had heard.

The map of Bury on the page below shows where the family lived between 1881 and 1901.

The family can be summarised as:

Patrick and Johanna Power

  • Margaret Hayde b 1856, Clonmel
  • Patrick Joseph Hayde b 1858, Cahir, Tipperary. Mar Sara Hobson/Holden in 1881. Descendants in Bury
  • William Augustine Hayde b 1860, Somerset. Emigrated to America in 1880 and mar Adelaide Kelly 1906. Descendants in New York
  • Thomas Hayde b 1862, Killenuale. Mar Mary Carroll 1884. Descendants in Bury and Rochdale
  • Hanora Hayde b 1864, Taunton
  • George Vincent Hayde b 1866. Emigrated to America
  • Mary Anne Hayde b 1868, Portsmouth
  • Henry Hayde b 1870, Portsmouth. Became a Redemptionist Brother
  • Johanna Hayde b 1873, Liverpool
  • Edward Hayde b 1875, Bury. Mar Clara Annie Smith 1898

A copy of this family tree is at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51256936/family

This tree is genetically linked to Trees # 1, 9 and 10 that all originate from the Ballinure area.


[1] His date of birth was on a declaration Patrick made at Portsea on 23 May 1867 as 17 March 1827! If correct this meant he enlisted when he was 15. It was not unusual at the time for recruits to lie about their age in order to be able to enlist.

[2] A 1866 court case explains where these funds came from.

[3] HMS Volage was originally an iron screw corvette launched in 1869 and was sold in 1904.  In the 1890s it, together with 3 sister ships, were training ships.