Dec 282017

Thomas and Patrick Hayde

The tax records of 1666/7 recorded a James Head from Kilballyherberry, Ballysheehan.  He was probably one of the 10 Heade (and variant) families recorded in the area at the time.

The Irish Research page explains these families in more detail.

By the time of the religious census in 1766, the two families in this area were Philip and Maria Kearney and John and Maria Monaghan. These two couples both had large families that were baptised in the Killenaule parish records that started in 1742.  However I can only find the descendants of Philip and Maria in these parish records. They were recorded as Head in the census records and Head and Heade in the parish records.

By the time of the tithe taxes in the 1820s, the descendants in the area were Thomas Hayde and Cath Kivane and Patrick Hayde and Cath Kelly both farming at Killhill, Kilballyherberry.  They were both grandchildren of Philip and Maria.

Thomas married Cath Kivane circa 1803 and Patrick married Margaret Kirwan in 1811 and then Cath Kelly in 1813. They both had families at Killhill between 1810 and 1840.

In 1827, Thomas and Patrick  were both farming on land owned by The Estate of Oliver Latham Esq. Patrick had a plot of 3a 1r 0p and Thomas’s plot was 3a 3r 0p. They both defaulted on these tithes in the 1830s and were not on this land in the 1850s. I suspect they were evicted in the late 1830s/early 1840s after they both defaulted on paying their tithes (taxes).

The parish records also show many other family members in this area in the early 1800s.  These are summarised at the end of this page. There is also avery close link between these families and those in Ballinure, Noan and Killenuale which are outlined on separate pages.

The 1850s map of the landholdings of Kilballyherberry parish is shown below:

Killhill is the hill, shown as 794ft (241m) high towards the middle right of the parish map. The area shown as reference 1 in this map (which included Killhill) was a 24 acre plot farmed by Thomas Hogan in the 1850s.  In the 1820s Thomas Hogan farmed 14 acres, with Patrick, Thomas a some other small holders as neighbours.  I suspect the Hogan family consolidated their holdings after Patrick and Thomas left their small plots.

Killhill is now a wind farm as can be seen from the photo below:

Killhill is shown in the photos below.  They were taken on a foggy day in November 2016 and probably reflect what life was like in the early 1800s on this hill.

This photo is from Killhill at the point where I think Thomas and Patrick had their plots.

This photo shows the view from Killhill down towards Ballinure.

The eldest son of Thomas and Cath’s was Patrick Hayde (b 1803). He married Margaret Farrell in Carlow in circa 1840 and immigrated to London in the late 1840s during the potato famine.  One of their sons (the only child to live long enough to have a family) joined the British army.  He went to India with the army where he married and had a large family.  Descendants live in England, India, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.  This is Tree # 1 and is described in more detail in the New Zealand and India posts page.

Other sons moved to Ballinure and descendents are in the Ballinure/Cashel area. These families, and other descendants from the Killhill families are Tree # 10 and are described in more detail in the Ballinure posts page.

Records in London in 1870 (relating to Patrick b 1803) indicate that Thomas and Cath had died by then.  Given that Patrick could not read or write and had left Ireland by the late 1840s, I suspect they may have died by the time Patrick and Margaret left Ireland. By the 1840s they would have been in their 60s, which is much longer than life expectancy at the time

The early members of these two families can be summarised as:

Philip and Maria Kearney

  • John Heade b 1745. Mar Cath Kennedy
    • Catherine Head b 1771
    • Anastasia Heade b 1786
  • Michael Heade b 1747. Mar Cath Nagle
    • Philip Head b 1786, d 1788
    • Thomas Head b 1788. Mar Cath Kivane – Killballyherberry in 1827
      • Patrick Hayde b 1803. Mar Margaret Farrell – Tree # 1
        • Edward Hayde b 1848
        • Margaret Hayde b 1849
        • Patrick Hayde b 1853
        • John Hayd b 1855
      • Mary Heade b 1811
      • Cath Hayde b 1813
      • Edmond Head b 1815. Mar Mary Barry then Mary Bulfin later in life- Tree # 10. # 9d, Noan (Piercetown) 1850

        • Catherine Hayde b 1844, Piercetown (Noan)
        • Thomas Hade b 1846, Piercetown. Married Margaret Russell 1868. Descendants in Ballinure. See the Ballinure posts page for more detail.
        • James Hade b 1849, Ballinure
        • Michael Hayde b 1853, Ballinure
        • Joanna Hayde b 1854, Ballynaglaragh (Noan)
        • Martin Hayde b 1855, Piercetown
        • Mary Hayde b 1869, St Marys, Clonmel
        • Margaret Hayde b 1871, Garraun
      • Nelly/Ellen Head b 1818
      • Peg (Margaret) Head b 1821
      • Tom Heade b 1824
      • James Hayde b 1826
      • Michael Heade b 1826
  • Unreadable b 1749
  • Honoria Heade b 1752
  • Maria Heade b 1753
  • Catherine Heade b 1756
  • James Head b 1759. Mar Joanne Duggan
    • Joannes Head b 1790
    • Patrick Head b 1796. Mar Margaret Kirwan then Cath Kelly – Killballyherberry in 1827. Tree # 10
      • Margaret Heade b 1814.
      • Mary Head b 1815
      • Pat Hayde b 1819. Emigrated to America in circa 1847.  Lived Albany, NY State.
      • Margaret Hayde b 1824
      • John Heade b 1826. Emigrated to America circa 1850. Lived Albany, NY State.
      • Ellen Hayde b 1829
      • James Hayde b 1831. Emigrated to America circa 1853. Lived Albany, NY State.
      • Thomas Hayd b 1834
    • Bridget Head b 1799
  • Allina Head b 1762
  • Eliza Heade b 1766

Further information is provided on the families that settled in Albany in the Albany posts page.

John and Maria Monaghan

  • Ellen Heade b 1749
  • Margaret Heade b 1751
  • Richard Heade b 1752
  • Catherine Heade b 1753
  • Thomas Heade b 1756
  • Margaret Head b 1759

Descendants of the above are difficult to track from the parish records.

Other Hayde Families from this area

There are also other families in the parish records of the time that are related but the links are unknown due to the lack of paper records. These are:

Patrick and Judith Bradley

  • Martin Hayd b 1835, Killhill
  • Harry Hayd b 1837, Killhill
  • Thomas Hayd b 1839, Killenaule
  • Catherine Head b 1841, Ballynaglaragh
  • Patrick Hayde b 1844, St Peter and St Paul, Clonmel

Patrick is clearly descended from either Philip and Maria or John and Maria but the records are not clear on how. What the dates show however is that they had moved from Killhill sometime in the late 1830s. Ballinaglaragh is a sub townland of Noan, which is the area that the family spread to.  The last birth in 1844 reflects their movement further south. There is no trace of this family after these dates and I suspect they were either famine casualties or emigrated.

James and Mary Meagher/Maher – Ballinree in 1827

  • Tom Head b 1817, Leigh, Tipperary North
  • William Hayde b 1818, Ballinree
  • Nancy Heade b 1821, Ballinree
  • Mary Head b 1824, Ballinree
  • Jas or John Hayd b 1833, Ballinree

Ballinree is a townland to the north west of Dually bordering Ballysheehan.

Thomas and Mary Connors

  • Honnaria Hayde b 1841, Killhill. Married John Ware in New Brunswick in 1870.
  • John Hayde b 1844, Ballynaglaragh (Noan). Married Margaret Long in New Brunswick in 1870.
  • Michael Hayde b 1847, Curragh (probably Carrow, a townland north of Dually)

Like Patrick and Judith Bradley, Thomas and Mary also left Killhill and moved to Noan in the 1840s.  They clearly emigrated shortly thereafter as the children married in America in the 1870s.

How some of the early families in the area are all connected is not obvious from the paper records.  DNA testing however has shown that the families from Kilballyherberry, Ballinure and Noan have a common ancestor.

A map of the area showing Kill Hill and Ballinure marked is as follows:

Center map
Dec 282017

Edward and Martha

As described in the Killballyherberry posts page, this family originates from that area.

It starts with a Patrick Hayde, a descendant of Philip and Maria Kearney, who were farming at Killballyherberry in the 1600s.

Patrick was the eldest son of Thomas and Cath. He married Margaret Farrell in Carlow around 1840 and they emigrated to London shortly afterwards. The Carlow marriage reference came from the 1870 extract shown below.  I have not found this in any parish record.

They had 4 children in the Westminster area, most of whom died in London at an early age.

One son (Edward Harry b 1848) survived and joined the British army (67th Foot) at Taunton, Somerset (where he was living) in 1867. He was a violin player and his army career involved him playing in the band and being the bandmaster.

I could not find this family in the 1861 UK census.  Part of the problem I have with finding this family is due to their itinerant nature.  Patrick (a musician), and Margaret Farrell, had Edward (my great grandfather) in Westminster in 1848 (parish or street unknown), Margaret in St Mary’s Westminster (cottage at back of 48 Marsham St) in 1849, Patrick in St John’s Westminster (56 Orchard St by Westminster Cathedral) in 1853, John in St Luke’s (6 Edmonds Place, off Aldersgate St near what is now the Barbican) in 1855 and Ellen in Marylebone (16 George St) 1858.  Patrick died {in Marylebone in 1854}, John in the Earls Court Workhouse in 1861, Margaret (a musician) in the Workhouse in Greenwich in 1869 and Ellen (a laundress in Deptford) in Greenwich in 1888.

In between, Margaret (nee Farrell) died in Wolverhampton (Back Lane, part of the Irish slum known as Caribee Island at the time) in 1861. She was in the civil records as Aide.

A map of this area in the 1870s is shown below:

Back Lane is now a main road leading out of the Wolverhampton railway station seen on the right.

I have found Patrick (the elder) in the 1871 London census.  He was listed as Patrick Hyde, widower, born 1803 in County Tipperary, Ireland, residing in the Islington Workhouse.  I have found his movements from 1869 – 1873 (when he died) in the Greenwich, Islington and Croydon areas. I found Patrick in the Islington Workhouse records in 1870 as a pauper. The civil records show Patrick Hayde died in 1873 in Croydon Workhouse aged 70 (ie born 1803).

The first entry of Patrick Hayde into the Islington parish records in October 1870 confirmed his age, place of birth and parents.  It also described him as being a bag pipe player and as also having a dislocated hip which probably entitled him to treatment in the parish. This entry is shown below:

The area in Westminster that they were recorded in when Patrick was baptised in 1853 adjoined a notorious slum called Devil’s Acre.  Cardinal Wiseman described the area in 1850 as:

Close under the Abbey of Westminster there lie concealed labyrinths of lanes and courts, and alleys and slums, nests of ignorance, vice, depravity and crime as well as of squalor, wretchedness and disease.  The population, nominally Catholic, haunts of filth.

The Devil’s Acre with the Palace of Westminster in the background, in an 1872 illustration by Gustave Doré. The illustration shows the Devil’s Acre some years into the slum clearance, with the courtyard of small low-lying houses surrounded by multi-occupancy houses fronting onto Old Pye Street.

Above is a map of the Westminster area of London in 1868. It shows Orchard St, off Dean Street, where the family lived in 1849.

Above is a map of the City of London about the same time period. It shows Edmonds Place off Aldersgate Street at the top centre.

Edward and Martha

Edward enlisted for a 12 year term with the 67th Foot at Taunton, where he was living, on 9/3/1867.[1]  He received a bounty of one pound to sign up and his trade was listed as a violin player.  He was 19 years old, 5ft 91/4 tall, sallow complexion, grey eyes and dark brown hair. He was illiterate at the time and the document recorded an X as his mark of signature.  He joined the unit in Cork, Ireland.  The units’ movements were as follows:

Curragh Camp (Dublin)                                   Jan 1868

Portsmouth                                                      June 1868

Aldershot                                                          August 1869

Dover                                                                February 1871

Shorncliffe                                                       September 1871

Departed for Burma                                      31 October 1872

East Indies (India)                                           4 March 1876 to 11 April 1888[2]

In 1881 the 67th foot became 2nd Battalion Hampshire Regiment.  In 1887 Edward transferred to the 1st Battalion, probably to enable him to stay in India.

Edward married Catherine Gilaghan while at Shorncliffe Camp, Kent on 12/3/1872.[3]  Catherine died on 7 July 1873[4] (aged 25) and Edward remarried a Martha Rebecca Featherstone on 2 May 1876.

Edward re-engaged for a 21 year total service period in December 1874.  He received several good conduct awards and was promoted Lance Corporal in 1882, Corporal in 1884 and Bandmaster Sergeant in 1885.  He fought in the Afghanistan campaigns of 1878 and 1880. The medals he was awarded would have looked like:

He passed his Third Class education certificate in Sept 1883 by which time he could sign his own name and ensure that the army records also had his name spelt correctly.  What I am not sure about is how he knew what the right spelling was when based in India, miles from other family.

The Royal Hampshire Regimental Museum in Winchester has copies of the monthly regimental magazine called “Our Chronicle”.  It was started in 1872 when the regiment arrived in Burma and recorded the social, administrative and military activities of the regiment.  Edward featured in it several times in connection with his violin performances.  One article said “The violin solos of Private Hayde well sustained his fairly earned reputation.  Hayde was vociferously encored”.

Patrick was recorded in the Chelsea Pensioners lists of 22 May 1888 as being eligible for a pension after 21 years service.

A son of Edward, Frederick Joseph, enlisted in the Royal Artillery in Madras on 21 September 1897.  He was 14 years 11 months old, 4ft 11in tall, fair complexion, fair hair, and grey eyes.  He was discharged as a Corporal on 22 March 1910 having served 12 years.  During this time he spent 3 years in England (1904 to 1907) with the rest of the service done in India.

Two of Edward’s other sons (he had 8 sons and I daughter) also served in the British army.  These were Edward Samuel born 1879 (enlisted 1893 and served 21 years), and Patrick George born 1888.

The youngest son, Ernest Victor, born 1897, served in the Indian army during WW2.

Their family tree can be summarised as:

  • Ellen Rebecca Hayde b 1877, Madras
  • Edward Samuel Hayde b 1879, Bangalore
  • Frederick Joseph Hayde b 1882, Cannamore
  • Henry James Hyade b 1884, Bangalore
  • Albert Featherstone Hayde b 1886, Secunderabad
  • Patrick George Hayde b 1888, Secunderabad
  • Walter Driscoll Hayde b 1890, Secunderabad
  • Cyrill John Hayde b 1892, Deesa
  • Ernest Victor Hayde b 1897, Poona
  • Millicent Anne Hayde b 1903, Bangalore

A photo of Edward in the early 1900s is

A family group photo:

The family tree can be seen in detail at



[1] The enlistment form recorded him as Edward Hayd

[2] The service records have him as Hayd to 1872 and then Hayde thereafter although at times the e was dropped for a while and then returned.

[3] This marriage was recorded in the Civil records under the name Hayd

[4] Recorded in “Our Chronicle”