Mar 252024
Mar 272025
In 1666/7 there was an Edward Heade at Lisnamrock and James Heade at Ballyphilip.
By the time of the Tithes there were:
- Michael Head at Knockadabe. This is Michael and Mary Cahill
- Two entries for James Head at Lickfinn
By the time of Griffiths in 1850 there was:
- Two James Hayde’s at Lickfinn. These are James and Elizabeth Wilson and James and Bridget Maher
- Michael Hayde at Lickfinn. This is Michael and Mary Cahill
- Pierce Hayden at Ballincurry. This is probably Pierce Hayde who married Bridget Pagan in 1847
In addition to the families in the Tithe and Griffiths records, the parish records included:
- Patrick and Ellen from Mardyke who emigrated to England between 1829 and 1831
- Edward and Mary Morgan
The map below shows the townships:
Michael and Mary Cahill
Michael and Mary were in Knockadabe in 1830 and Lickfinn 11b (owned by Palliser Weyland esq) in 1850. They had:
- James Heade b 1832 Ballingarry
- John Heade b 1834 Ballingarry. John was a hostelier who married Catherine Ryan in Mass in 1864.
- Michael Hayde b 1865 Mass
- Mary Hayde b 1867 Mass. In Boston in 1900.
- John Hayde b 1869 Mass
- Elizabeth Heade b 1837 Ballingarry
- Mary Heade b 1840 Lickfinn
- Margaret Heade b 1843 Ballingarry
John and Catherine were in Boston in 1870 and by 1880 John was a widow with just Michael and Mary in the household (as Head). In 1907, a Mary Hayde placed an advert in the ‘Boston Pilot’ seeking Michael Joseph Hayde born Boston 1867, a son of John and Catherine Ryan of Tipperary. Michael had last been heard of 13 years ago in Buffalo NY. Mary Hayde was in Boston in the 1900 census.
Boston city directories for 1885-1899 recorded a Richard Hayde, a hostelier, and his widow Margaret. Given he had the same (and unusual) occupation as John, he may well have been another son. There was no sign of them in 1900.
James and Elizabeth Wilson
James and Elizabeth were in Lickfinn in 1834 and 1850 (either 11c (owned by Palliser Weyland esq) or 22b (owned by John Langley esq)). They had:
- William Heade b 1812, Lickfinn, Gorthahoe parish
James was a collier in 1812.
James b abt 1800 and Biddy/Bridget Maher
James and Bridget were in Lickfinn in 1834 and 1850 (either 11c or 22b). They had:
- Michael Heade b 1826, Ballingarry parish. Michael probably joined the army and married Margaret Kerwick in Glengoole in 1878 and died in 1885
- Tom Heade b 1828, Gortnahoe parish
- John Hayde b 1833, Mardyke, Killenaule parish. Mar Mary Murphy in Yorkshire 1866. They had:
- William Hade b 1868, Rotheram. Mar Annie 1906
- Ernest Hade b 1908, Bolton d 1911
- Sidney Edmond Hade b 1909, Bolton d 1929
- John Hade b 1910
- Catherine Hade b 1870, Rotheram
- Mary Anne Hade b 1872, Rotheram
- Mary Ellen Hade b 1874, Rotheram
- Margaret Hade b 1875, Rotheram
- William Hade b 1868, Rotheram. Mar Annie 1906
- James Hayde b 1835, Mardyke
James possibly enlisted in the army at Kilkenny in 1820 and was discharged in 1824.
The movement of this family around 3 different parishes implies a connection between the families in these parishes.
Patrick and Ellen Doran/Dearan/Gorman
Patrick and Ellen (Doran/Dearan/Gorman) arrived in Oldham between 1829 and 1831 with 3 children. They had a further 3 children in Oldham. I found the baptism of the oldest child in the parish of Killenuale and Moyglass in 1836 where their residence was stated as Mardyke (I think they baptised an older child on a trip back to Ireland from Oldham).
Their children were:
- William Hayde b 1822, Ireland. Mar Maria Murray
- Mary E Hade b 1850, Oldham
- Ellen Hade b 1827, Ireland
- Mary Hade b 1829, Ireland. D before 1861
- Patrick Hade b 1831, Oldham. D 1880
- Michael Hade b 1834, Oldham. D before 1861
- John Hayde b 1837, Oldham D 1914 Cardiff. Became a priest
This family is discussed further in the Oldham posts page.
Edward and Mary Morgan
Edward Hade (b 1811), son of John a gardener, arrived in Wigan before 1840. He married Mary Morgan and had a son Peter in 1840. By 1851 both Mary and Peter had died and he remarried, as Edward Hayde, a Margaret Conroy.
I have not found his Irish origins but I am treating him as connected to Tree # 7 in the absence of any other option.
In 1851 a John Gorman was staying with them. This provides a link (tenuous) to Ellen Gorman who married Patrick above.
Mar 252025
Patrick b 1792 and Ellen Doran
Patrick and Ellen (Doran/Dearan/Gorman) arrived in Oldham between 1829 and 1831 with 3 children. They had a further 3 children in Oldham.
Their Irish origins are outlined in the ?? page.
Patrick was an umbrella maker in 1841. He had died by the time of the 1851 census. Their children were:
- William Hayde b 1822, Ireland. Mar Maria Murray
- Mary E Hade b 1850, Oldham
- Ellen Hade b 1827, Ireland
- Mary Hade b 1829, Ireland. D before 1861
- Patrick Hade b 1831, Oldham. D 1880
- Michael Hade b 1834, Oldham. D before 1861
- John Hayde b 1837, Oldham
They lived in central Oldham – Grosvenor St, Water St, Booth St and Ironmonger St. These streets are in central Oldham as can be seen from the old map below:
John Hayde, was ordained as a priest in Italy in 1867. He was in Cork in 1861 and again from 1877 to 1887. From 1873 to 1877 and then from 1887 to 1914 (when he died) he was at parishes in Cardiff.
Official church records describe how he was very popular with parishioners. A photo of him in 1896/97 is below:
A close up is:
Oct 192022
A few Hayde families were in the areas north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry by 1800. They were not in the 1659 census or 1665/6/7 Hearth Money Records so they must have originated from Tipperary south and moved to this area in the 1700s.
These families can be summarised as:
- Patrick and Michael Heade, born circa 1800, who were in Kilduff in the 1830s. They were not in this village at the time of the Tithe records in 1827 and appear to have moved there when they married in 1829 and 1832 respectively.
- James Heyde who was in Galbertstown Lower in 1850. Parish records show that he (as James Hayde) married Cath Cantwell in 1845 and the parish record stated that he was from Killenaule.
- John Hayde and Margaret Shanahan who were probably in Killough (by Galbertstown Lower) in 1850. He was from Leigh.
- Other families in Borris and Leigh that were in the parish but don’t feature in the Tithes of Griffiths.
- Patrick, born circa 1790, and Judith Ryan who had a family in the Thurles area in the early 1800s.
These places can be seen in the Catholic parish map below. Kilduff is highlighted at the top of the map in Templemore, Thurles Township, Galbertstown Lower and Leigh (and Borris) are in the Thurles parish.
These families are grouped as Tree # 7 and are detailed at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51257626/family
Kilduff (Templemore Parish)
In the 1830s, Patrick and Michael were in Kilduff, a town in the foothills of the Kilduff mountains north west of Templemore. There was no sign of this family in the Tithe records. In the Griffiths records was Mary Headon was in the Griffiths records of 1850. She was the wife of Michael as I have traced them via the valuation books, as Heade, at the same address. She was in the valuation records until around 1856.
Walkers Hibernian Magazine from the Tipperary Archives has a reference that refers to a Miss Hayde from Kilduff, Limerick, who married a John Smithwick in 1791. She was the daughter of Richard Hayde from Castleleak, Tipperary. (This is probably Castlelake, a townland west of Cashel). Killdiff is a parish in Limerick and is different to the townland in Templemore. I don’t believe this reference is related.
Patrick and Michael were possibly the children of Pierce (Peter) and Mary Shanahan from Borris who had a Patrick and John Heade in Moycarky in 1801 and 1807 respectively. Michael could be another brother.
Interestingly, there is a DNA match between a descendant of this family and that of the Ballinure, Tipperary families. The match is estimated as 5th to 8th cousins which, if assuming 25 years in a generation, makes the common ancestor between 1800 and 1900. Given that paper records show that it is not after 1820ish, then it must be very close to 1800.
Kilduff is shown on the map below:
Patrick B abt 1800 and Mary Mooney (b 1804)
Patrick and Mary married in Drom and Inch parish in 1829. Patrick was from Templemore. The marriage was witnessed by James Heade, presumably a brother. The children were baptised in the Templemore parish.
Patrick seems to have died some time between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England.
They were at no 6a Kilduff in the valuation records up until around 1850.
Their children were:
- Nicholas Heade b 1831, Kilduff. D before 1861
- John Heade b 1833, Kilduff. D 1898 Oldham
- Patrick Heade b 1835, Kilduff. Patrick went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met a Lavina Kelly who he married in 1866. This family is outlined in more detail in the Middleton posts page.
- Anne/Hannah Heade b 1837, Kilduff
- Mary Heade b 1839, Kilduff
- Pierce/Peter Heade b 1842, Kilduff. Mar Mary Premo. Peter emigrated to America in 1868, married in 1874 and settled in Detroit, Michigan. Their children are variously named Hade and Hayde. This family is described further at the Detroit posts page.
- Bridget Heade b 1844, Kilduff
- Margaret Heade b 1847, Kilduff
The descendants of Patrick and Mary settled in Middleton, England. They are described further in the Oldham and Middleton Posts page. The descendants of Peter and Mary can be described further in the Detroit page.
Michael b abt 1810 and Mary Mahoney
Michael and Mary married in Templemore parish in 1832. They were from Kilduff. Pat Heade (probably the Pat above) was a witness.
Michael and Mary were at 7d Kilduff in the valuation records up to circa 1856. Michael’s name was changed to Mary’s which indicate that Michael died.
Descendants appear in Queensland by 1874. I have not found any trace of their emigration records.
Their children were:
- Patrick Heade b 1833, Kilduff (presumably died before 1836)
- Pierce Heade b 1834, Kilduff, D 1913 Australia
- Patrick Heade b 1836, Kilduff. Mar Mary McMahon 1874, Queensland. D 1920
- Michael James Hade b 1875, Queensland. Mar Sarah Mary Fanning 1902. D 1936
- Mary Hade b 1902, Warwick, Queensland
- William Patrick Hade b 1904, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Gertrude Lilian Newman. D 1971
- Mary Ellen Hade, b 1907, Warwick, Queensland
- Sarah Agnes Hade b 1909, Warwick, Queensland
- Michael John Hade b 1911, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Dorothy Agnes Rose. D 1973
- Kevin James Hade b 1913, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Kathleen May Roche. D 1988
- Vincent Kevin Hade b 1940 d 2006
- Mary Anne Hade b 1877, Queensland. Mar Patrick John Ryan 1898. D 1916
- Susan Agnes Head b 1879, Queensland. Mar Thomas John Ryan 1902. D 1960
- Michael James Hade b 1875, Queensland. Mar Sarah Mary Fanning 1902. D 1936
- Ann Heade b 1838, Kilduff
- Mary Heade b 1839, Kilduff
- Bridget Heade b 1843, Templemore
- Michael Heade b 1845, Templemore
- Sarah Head b 1849, Kilduff. Mar Nicholas Leone 1877 and Charles Kolass 1905. D 1912
DNA testing of a descendant of Patrick’s has shown a link to Tree # 1 from Killenaule parish.
Moycarky Parish
In Moycarky parish there were:
- Pierce (Peter) and Mary Shanahan who had Patrick Heade and John Heade in 1801 and 1807 in Borris. They appeared to be the earliest families in the Moycarky parish. They however did not feature in the tithes in the 1830s. Patrick possibly moved to Killduff.
- John and Margaret Shanahan who had a family in Leigh in the 1810s. They were possibly in Killough (by Galbertstown Lower) in 1829 and 1850.
- James Heyde who was in Galbertstown Lower in 1850. Parish records show that he (as James Hayde) married Cath Cantwell in 1845 and the parish record stated that he was from Killenaule. James and Cath moved to Thurles (as Hayde) in the 1870s and were running a grocery shop in town in the 1880s. James died 1898 and Cath 1908. Cath was possibly baptised Cashel parish in 1832.
The Holycross Old Graveyard contains the grave of Catherine Hayde died 1908. The gravestone was erected by Alderman Edward Cantwell, presumably her brother.
Thurles Township
Patrick and Judith Ryan
I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish. These are:
- James Heade b 1808
- John Hade b 1811. John married Mary Ann Campbell in Leamington, Warwickshire in 1837. They had:
- John George Hade b 1838, Leamington. Mar Caroline (Letitia) Holtom 1862.
- George Hade b 1862, Leamington
- Arthur George b 1865, Oxfordshire. D 1889
- Mary Lydia Hade b 1867, Worcestershire
- Elizabeth Hade b 1871, Worcestershire
- James Hade b 1840, Leamington. Mar Sophia 1866
- Thomas Hade b 1842, Leamington. Mar Isabella 1887
- Mary Anne Hade b 1845, Leamington
- Elizabeth Hade b 1850, Leamington
- John George Hade b 1838, Leamington. Mar Caroline (Letitia) Holtom 1862.
- Patrick Heade/Hade b 1821. Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolabeha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles. They had 2 children baptised in the Thurles parish and by 1851 they were on Alderney, in the Channel Islands. One daughter, Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881. This family is described further in the Channel Islands posts page.
The baptism of James in 1808 noted their address as New Street, which is probably in Thurles.
Patrick, the elder, was recorded as a clerk in 1808. It is interesting to speculate what clerical work he was doing at the time and indeed how he managed to obtain the skills.
Thomas Hayde b 1818
A Thomas Hayde from Littleton (b circa 1818 – 1823), joined the Dublin Met Police in 1850 (aged 27) and could also have been another son. He died a bachelor in 1864 (aged 46).
Michael Hayde b 1829
A Michael Butler Hayde b 1829 joined the RIC and then the army (43rd then 30th Foot) in Dublin in 1850. His army records stated he was born Moycarky parish, near Thurles. He served in the Crimean War in 1855 and retired as a colour sergeant to Dublin after 21 years service.
In the 1901 census he was aged 65 (born 1836!), a widower, in Clonmel with his sister Catherine Ryan (a widow) b 1846 and Catherine (b 1877) and Mary Roache (b 1899) (niece and grand niece). The 1901 census referenced his army regiment so we can be sure of this connection.
Catherine Ryan (b 1877) mar Michael Roach at St Mary’s, Clonmel in 1898. Her father was Michael Ryan, an artisan (dec). Mary Christine Roach was born Clonmel 17 Dec 1898 to Michael Roach (a soldier) and Catherine Roche nee Ryan. Catherine Ryan, grandmother, was present. Mary Roche mar John O’Connor in 1919, moved to England and then emigrated to Australia in 1955.
I have not found the baptisms of Michael (b 1829) or his sister Catherine (b 1846).
By 1911, Michael was aged 80 (b 1831) and was with nephew Michael Ryan (ie son of Catherine Ryan his sister) aged 29 (b England 1882) and g child Mary Bridget Ryan (b Clonmel 1902).
Michael was possibly in Balrothey, Dublin in 1873 where he had a daughter Ellen with his wife Eliz O’Connell. I have not found any record of the deaths of Ellen or Eliz O’Connell.
James Hayde b 1826
There is also a James Hayde who joined the RIC in 1849. He was recorded as being born in Tipperary North in 1826. He resigned in 1853 and emigrated to America. He travelled on Compromise from Liverpool which arrived in New York on 7 Sept 1853. I have however not found him in any American census or other records.
The detailed research notes can be seen at Tipperary North Families
Detailed research notes regarding Limerick can be found at Limerick Families
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Dec 282017
Patrick b 1821 and Mary Roche
As outlined in the North Tipperary posts page, I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish.
One of these was a Patrick b 1821. Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolabeha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles. Their children were:
- James Heade b 1845, Thurles D before 1871
- Mary Heade b 1848, Thurles
- Margaret Heade b 1855, Alderney. In St Peter’s Port, Guernsey in 1901. No sign in 1911
- Ellen Heade b 1861, Alderney
- Matthew Heade b 1856, Alderney
- John Heade b 1860, Alderney
Patrick was a mason. In Alderney in 1847, work began on building a long breakwater in Braye Bay. I suspect Patrick was attracted there to work as a mason on building this breakwater and other projects.
They were in the 1851 Alderney census as Heade, 1871 as Head, then in the Guernsey census of 1881, 1891 and (Margaret) 1901 as Hade.
Mary died in 1891 and Patrick in 1898. There is no sign of descendants of John. Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881.
Matthew arrived NSW 7 Nov 1881. He was a seaman and discharged from the ‘Sharpshooter’. He also arrived in NSW on 7 Nov 1881.
A photo of the gravestone of Patrick and Mary Roche in Le Foulon, Cemetery, St Peters Port, Guernsey is:
This gravestone can be found at grave no 62, section Y.
I have found no living descendants.
Oct 132022
Patrick Heade b abt 1800 and Mary Mooney
Patrick and Mary mar in 1829. Patrick was from Templemore. The marriage was witnessed by James Heade. The children were baptised in the Templemore parish. Their Irish origins are outlined in the Tipperary North page.
Patrick seems to have died sometime between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England. This is close to where Patrick and Ellen Doran (see Oldham page) were at the same time and they probably influenced this choice.
Their children were:
- Nicholas Heade b 1831, Kilduff. D before 1861
- John Heade b 1833, Kilduff. D 1898 Oldham
- Patrick Heade b 1835, Kilduff. Patrick went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met a Lavina Kelly who he married in 1866.
- John Hayde b 1867, Middleton. Mar Margaret Loughlan 1898, Middleton
- Norah Hayde b 1898, Middleton
- Wilfred Hayde b 1900, Middleton
- Edward Hayde b 1903, Oldham. Married but had no children
- John Hayde b 1905, Oldham. D 1905
- Margaret Hayde b 1906, Oldham
- Bernard Hayde b 1908, Oldham. D 1908
- Mary Hayde b 1911, Oldham
- Cathleen Hayde b 1913, Oldham
- James Hayde b 1870, Middleton. Mar Agnes Leah 1895
- Eveline Hayde b 1896
- Peter Hayde b 1872, Middleton. D 1873
- Hannah Hayde b 1875, Middleton. D 1879
- Nicholas Hayde b 1876, Middleton. Mar Janet Thomas 1921
- Mary Elizabeth Hayde b 1882, Oldham. D 1905
- Veronica Hayde b 1883, Oldham. D 1884
- John Hayde b 1867, Middleton. Mar Margaret Loughlan 1898, Middleton
- Anne/Hannah Heade b 1837, Kilduff. D before 1861
- Mary Heade b 1839, Kilduff
- Pierce/Peter Heade b 1842, Kilduff. He emigrated to America in 1868, married Mary Premo in 1874 and they settled in Detroit, Michigan. Their children are variously named Hade and Hayde. This is described further at the Detroit posts page.
- Bridget Heade b 1844, Kilduff. D before 1861
- Margaret Heade b 1847, Kilduff. D before 1861
They lived in Couper Row, Tonge, Middleton in the 1860 and 1870s. Patrick and Lavina settled in Dickens St, Middleton in the 1880s.
Middleton can be seen on the map below.
Middleton, Manchester M24 2EW, UK
Bolton BL2 6AJ, UK
Nov 132017
Peter and Mary Premo
The origins of this family are explained in the Tipperary North and Oldham posts pages.
Peter (b 1843) arrived in NY on SS Pennsylvania on 13 April 1868. Also on the same ship was a John Hade. I am not sure of the connection between Peter and John.
Peter enlisted in the army in NY in 1869 and served a 5 year term to 1874. He married Mary Premo in Michigan in 1874 and by 1880 they had 3 children.
By 1900 they had 10 children with 9 surviving. Their children are:
- Adele Josephine Hade b 1876. Mar Charles Green
- Mary Agnes Hade b 1877
- Peter Hade b 1879. D 1904
- Charles Henry Hade b 1882. Mar Anna
- John Nicholas Hayde b 1884. Mar Alice Balsey. John Hade, enlisted in the army in 1907 and was discharged in 1908.
- Madeline E Hayde b 1906
- Alice Mary Agnes Hade b 1910
- Alice Mabel Hade b 1887
- Arthur Earl Leo Hade b 1890
- George Francis Lawrence Hade b 1896. Mar Emily Craig
- Cecliia Eleanor Hayde b 1898. Mar William Spitter
They were recorded as Hade in the arrival records and the early census records. By the 1920s however they were using the name Hayde. Descendants are in Detroit.