Jan 242016

A few Hayde families were in the area north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry by 1800. These were:

Kilduff to Middleton, Lancashire, England

In the 1830s, Patrick and Michael were in Kilduff, a town in the foothills of the Kilduff mountains north west of Templemore.

I have not found any descendants of Michael.

Patrick seems to have died some time between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England.

Patrick Hayde, a son of Patrick, went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met a Lavina Kelly.  They married in Oldham in 1866 and had 3 sons and 3 daughters. In 1871 they were living in Middleton and descendants still live in Middleton.

A brother, John  b 1833, also had a family in the area but adopted the Hade variant in the late 1800s.

Another brother, Peter b 1842, emigrated to America in 1868.  He settled in Detroit, Michigan and his children were variously named Hade and Hayde.

Mardyke to Oldham, Lancashire, England

Patrick and Ellen (Doran/Dearan/Gorman) arrived in Oldham between 1829 and 1831 with 3 children.  They had a further 3 children in Oldham.  I found the baptism of the oldest child in the parish of Killenuale and Moyglass in 1836 where their residence was stated as Mardyke (I think they baptised an older child on a trip back to Ireland from Oldham).

There are many other Hayde/Heade families in this area being just north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry. Mardyke is a township just south of Templemore, which is not far from Kilduff.

One of their children John Hayde, was ordained as a priest in Italy in 1867.  He was in Cork in 1861 and again from 1877 to 1887.  From 1873 to 1877 and then from 1887 to 1914 (when he died) he was at parishes in Cardiff.

Official church records describe how he was very popular with parishioners.

Mardyke to Great Bolton, England

Also in Mardyke in the 1830s were James and Bridget Meagher.  Their children, and grand children,  were:

  • Michael Heade b 1826 Ballingarry parish
    • James was probably farming in Lickfinn in the 1830s as was Michael in the 1850s
  • Tom Heade b 1828 Gortnahoe parish
  • John Hayde b 1833 Mardyke, Killenaule parish
    • John married Mary Murphy in Rotheran, Yorkshire in the 1866.  They had 6 children in Rotheran and Bolton, Lancashire.
  • James Hayde b 1835 Mardyke, Killenaule parish

Wigan, England

Edward Hade (b 1811), son of John a gardener, arrived in Wigan before 1840.  He married Mary Morgan and had a son Peter in 1840.  By 1851 both Mary and Peter had died and he remarried, as Edward Hayde, a Margaret Conroy.  I have not found his Irish origins but I am treating him as connected to Tree #7 in the absence of any other option.

In 1851 a John Gorman was staying with them.  This provides a link (tenuous) to Ellen Gorman above.

Littleton to Warwickshire and Channel Islands

I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish.  These are:

  • James Heade b 1808
  • John Hade b 1811.
    • John married Mary Ann Campbell in Leamington, Warwickshire in 1837.  They had several children in Warwickshire and adopted the Hade variant.
  • Patrick Heade/Hade b 1821.
    • Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolahaha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles.  They had 2 children baptised in the Thurles parish and by 1851 they were on Alderney, in the Channel Islands.  One daughter, Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881.

The baptism of James noted their address as New Street, which appears to be in the village of Littleton.  This town is 5 miles south east of Thurles on the road to Ballinure and Killenaule.

Patrick, the elder, was recorded as a clerk.  It is interesting to speculate what clerical work he was doing at the time and indeed how he managed to obtain the skills.

A Thomas Hayde from Littleton (b circa 1818 – 1823), joined the Dublin Met Police in 1850 (aged 27) and could also have been another son. He died a bachelor in 1864 (aged 46).

A Michael Hayde b 1829 joined the RIC and then the army in Dublin in 1850.  His army records stated he was born Moycarky parish, near Thurles. He served in the Crimean War in 1855 and retired to Dublin after 21 year service. In the 1901 census he was in Clonmel with his sister Catherine Ryan (a widow) and Catherine and Mary Roach (niece and grand niece).  Michael is probably related.

There is also a James Hayde who joined the RIC in 1849.  He was recorded as being born in Tipperary North in 1826.  He resigned in 1853 and emigrated to America. He traveled on Compromise from Liverpool which arrived in New York on 7 Sept 1853. I have however not found him in any American census or other records.

The detailed research notes can be seen at Tipperary North Families

Feb 222015


Patrick (born abt 1792) and Ellen arrived in Oldham from Ireland between 1829 and 1831 with three children. They had a further three children in Oldham. Patrick died before 1851.

One son, John, born 1837 in Oldham, was ordained as a Priest in Italy in 1867. He was in Cork in 1861 and again from 1877 to 1887. From 1873 to 1877 and then from 1887 to 1914 (when he died) at parishes in Cardiff. The official church records note that he was very popular with parishioners and children. These records also state that his parents were Patrick and Elena (nee Straine). The parish records for St Mary’s Oldham records his baptism as John Hade, son of Patrick and Ellen Dearan (handwriting variances could account for the difference from official church records). In the civil registration records his birth was recorded as Haydn.

The records also showed the birth of Patrick, another son, as being of Patrick and Ellen Drohan/Deohan.

I have found a Patrick and Ellen Gorman in Mardyke parish, Tipperary. This is the closest connection that I have found so far.


Edward Hade (born abt 1811) arrived in Wigan from Ireland before 1840. He married Mary Morgan, who was from Ireland, and had a son (Peter) in Wigan in 1840. He worked as a weaver. By 1851 Peter had died and Mary soon after. Edward remarried a Margaret Conroy in 1859.

Immediate descendants used Hade and Hayde. I have not found any living descendants.


John Hade (born abt 1811) from Thurles arrived in Leamington, Warwickshire before 1838. He married Mary Anne Campbell in 1837. A son John lived in Worcestershire in 1891. Two children lived in Middlesex in the 1880s. They used the Hade variant.

I have not found any living descendants.

Tonge, Middleton

Another Patrick, born abt 1838 in Ireland, was with his mother Mary (b 1804) and brothers John (b 1836) and Peter (b 1843) and sister Mary (b 1841) in Tonge, Middleton in 1861. Mary was a widow at the time. Her husband was a Patrick. This is Patrick and Mary Mooney that I have found in Templemore/Clonmore parish (Thurles), Tipperary. They were from Kilduff.  Also in Kilduff at the same time was Michael and Mary Mahoney.  While I have found the movements of Mary and children to Middleton, I can find no trace of trace of the movements of Michael and Mary after the 1840s.

Mary and children arrived in Middleton between 1852 and 1861.

Patrick, went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met and married a Lavinia/Robinia Kelly. They married in Oldham in 1866. They had 3 sons and 3 daughters. In 1871 they lived in Dicken Street, Middleton. The descendants from this family are mainly living in Middleton and Oldham.

A brother, John, also had a family in the area but they seemed to adopt the Hade variant in the late 1800s.

Peter, a brother of Patrick, emigrated to America. I found their emigration in 1868 but have not located any living descendants. They lived in Michigan and used Hade and Hayde variants.

Channel Islands

Patrick Heade (born abt 1821) married Mary Roach in 1843 and had several children in  Thurles. He was the son of Pat and Jude Ryan.  Pat was a clerk from Littleton.

I have found the records of a Thomas Hayde from Littleton, Moycarkey parish, who joined the Dublin Met Police aged 27 in 1850.   I have also found a Michael Hayde b 1829 who joined the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1850 in Dublin. He was also born Moycarky parish.  They are both probably also sons of Pat and Jude Ryan. Thomas died in 1864 and Michael was in Clonmel in 1901.

Patrick and family moved to Alderney in the Channel Islands about 1850.

In Alderney in 1847, work began on building a long breakwater in Braye Bay. I suspect Patrick was attracted here to work on this and other projects in the area.

In 1881, one of his daughters was living in Warwickshire. I have found no living descendants. They used the Heade and Hade variants.

Great Bolton

John Hade married Mary Catherine Murphy at Rotheran in 1866. They had six children by 1881. One was in the civil records as Hayde.Watch movie online The Transporter Refueled (2015)

John was an Iron Forge labourer in 1881. I have found no living descendants.