A few Hayde families were in the area north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry by 1800. These were:
Kilduff to Middleton, Lancashire, England
In the 1830s, Patrick and Michael were in Kilduff, a town in the foothills of the Kilduff mountains north west of Templemore.
I have not found any descendants of Michael.
Patrick seems to have died some time between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England.
Patrick Hayde, a son of Patrick, went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met a Lavina Kelly. They married in Oldham in 1866 and had 3 sons and 3 daughters. In 1871 they were living in Middleton and descendants still live in Middleton.
A brother, John b 1833, also had a family in the area but adopted the Hade variant in the late 1800s.
Another brother, Peter b 1842, emigrated to America in 1868. He settled in Detroit, Michigan and his children were variously named Hade and Hayde.
Mardyke to Oldham, Lancashire, England
Patrick and Ellen (Doran/Dearan/Gorman) arrived in Oldham between 1829 and 1831 with 3 children. They had a further 3 children in Oldham. I found the baptism of the oldest child in the parish of Killenuale and Moyglass in 1836 where their residence was stated as Mardyke (I think they baptised an older child on a trip back to Ireland from Oldham).
There are many other Hayde/Heade families in this area being just north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry. Mardyke is a township just south of Templemore, which is not far from Kilduff.
One of their children John Hayde, was ordained as a priest in Italy in 1867. He was in Cork in 1861 and again from 1877 to 1887. From 1873 to 1877 and then from 1887 to 1914 (when he died) he was at parishes in Cardiff.
Official church records describe how he was very popular with parishioners.
Mardyke to Great Bolton, England
Also in Mardyke in the 1830s were James and Bridget Meagher. Their children, and grand children, were:
- Michael Heade b 1826 Ballingarry parish
- James was probably farming in Lickfinn in the 1830s as was Michael in the 1850s
- Tom Heade b 1828 Gortnahoe parish
- John Hayde b 1833 Mardyke, Killenaule parish
- John married Mary Murphy in Rotheran, Yorkshire in the 1866. They had 6 children in Rotheran and Bolton, Lancashire.
- James Hayde b 1835 Mardyke, Killenaule parish
Edward Hade (b 1811), son of John a gardener, arrived in Wigan before 1840. He married Mary Morgan and had a son Peter in 1840. By 1851 both Mary and Peter had died and he remarried, as Edward Hayde, a Margaret Conroy. I have not found his Irish origins but I am treating him as connected to Tree #7 in the absence of any other option.
In 1851 a John Gorman was staying with them. This provides a link (tenuous) to Ellen Gorman above.
Littleton to Warwickshire and Channel Islands
I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish. These are:
- James Heade b 1808
- John Hade b 1811.
- John married Mary Ann Campbell in Leamington, Warwickshire in 1837. They had several children in Warwickshire and adopted the Hade variant.
- Patrick Heade/Hade b 1821.
- Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolahaha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles. They had 2 children baptised in the Thurles parish and by 1851 they were on Alderney, in the Channel Islands. One daughter, Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881.
The baptism of James noted their address as New Street, which appears to be in the village of Littleton. This town is 5 miles south east of Thurles on the road to Ballinure and Killenaule.
Patrick, the elder, was recorded as a clerk. It is interesting to speculate what clerical work he was doing at the time and indeed how he managed to obtain the skills.
A Thomas Hayde from Littleton (b circa 1818 – 1823), joined the Dublin Met Police in 1850 (aged 27) and could also have been another son. He died a bachelor in 1864 (aged 46).
A Michael Hayde b 1829 joined the RIC and then the army in Dublin in 1850. His army records stated he was born Moycarky parish, near Thurles. He served in the Crimean War in 1855 and retired to Dublin after 21 year service. In the 1901 census he was in Clonmel with his sister Catherine Ryan (a widow) and Catherine and Mary Roach (niece and grand niece). Michael is probably related.
There is also a James Hayde who joined the RIC in 1849. He was recorded as being born in Tipperary North in 1826. He resigned in 1853 and emigrated to America. He traveled on Compromise from Liverpool which arrived in New York on 7 Sept 1853. I have however not found him in any American census or other records.
The detailed research notes can be seen at Tipperary North Families