Tree # 07 – Hayde Family History

Lickfinn Area – Tree # 7

David Hayde — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 17:58:31 +0000

In 1666/7 there was an Edward Heade at Lisnamrock and James Heade at Ballyphilip.

By the time of the Tithes there were:

Michael Head at Knockadabe. This is Michael and Mary Cahill
Two entries for James Head at Lickfinn

By the time of Griffiths in 1850 there was:

Two James Hayde’s at Lickfinn. These are James and Elizabeth Wilson and James and Bridget Maher
Michael Hayde at Lickfinn. This is Michael and Mary Cahill
Pierce Hayden at Ballincurry. This is probably Pierce Hayde who married Bridget Pagan in 1847

In addition to the families in the Tithe and Griffiths records, the parish records included:

Patrick and Ellen from Mardyke who emigrated to England between 1829 and 1831
Edward and Mary Morgan

The map below shows the townships:

Oldham, England Families

David Hayde — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:01:57 +0000

Patrick b 1792 and Ellen Doran

Patrick and Ellen (Doran/Dearan/Gorman) arrived in Oldham between 1829 and 1831 with 3 children. They had a further 3 children in Oldham.

Their Irish origins are outlined in the Ballingarry parish, Lickfinn area page.

Patrick was an umbrella maker in 1841. He had died by the time of the 1851 census. Their children were:

William Hayde b 1822, Ireland. Mar Maria Murray
- Mary E Hade b 1850, Oldham
Ellen Hade b 1827, Ireland
Mary Hade b 1829, Ireland. D before 1861
Patrick Hade b 1831, Oldham. D 1880
Michael Hade b 1834, Oldham. D before 1861
John Hayde b 1837, Oldham. John became a priest

They lived in central Oldham – Grosvenor St, Water St, Booth St and Ironmonger St. These streets are in central Oldham as can be seen from the old map below:

John Hayde, was ordained as a priest in Italy in 1867. He was in Cork in 1861 and again from 1877 to 1887. From 1873 to 1877 and then from 1887 to 1914 (when he died) he was at parishes in Cardiff.

Official church records describe how he was very popular with parishioners. A photo of him in 1896/97 is below:

A close up is:

North Tipperary, Ireland Families

David Hayde — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 23:00:40 +0000

A few Hayde families were in the areas north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry by 1800. They were not in the 1659 census or 1665/6/7 Hearth Money Records so they must have originated from Tipperary south and moved to this area in the 1700s.

These families can be summarised as:

Patrick and Michael Heade, born circa 1800, who were in Kilduff in the 1830s. They were not in this village at the time of the Tithe records in 1827 and appear to have moved there when they married in 1829 and 1832 respectively.
James Heyde who was in Galbertstown Lower in 1850. Parish records show that he (as James Hayde) married Cath Cantwell in 1845 and the parish record stated that he was from Killenaule.
John Hayde and Margaret Shanahan who were probably in Killough (by Galbertstown Lower) in 1850. He was from Leigh.
James and Mary Meagher/Maher who were in Ballinree at the time of the Tithes. This is in Boherlahan parish however their first child was born in Leigh in Leigh.
Other families in Borris and Leigh that were in the parish but don’t feature in the Tithes of Griffiths.
Patrick, born circa 1790, and Judith Ryan who had a family in the Thurles area in the early 1800s.

These places can be seen in the Catholic parish map below. Kilduff is highlighted at the top of the map in Templemore, Thurles Township, Galbertstown Lower and Leigh (and Borris) are in the Thurles parish.

These families are grouped as Tree # 7 and are detailed at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51257626/family

Kilduff (Templemore Parish)

In the 1830s, Patrick and Michael were in Kilduff, a town in the foothills of the Kilduff mountains north west of Templemore. There was no sign of this family in the Tithe records. In the Griffiths records was Mary Headon was in the Griffiths records of 1850. She was the wife of Michael as I have traced them via the valuation books, as Heade, at the same address. She was in the valuation records until around 1856.

Walkers Hibernian Magazine from the Tipperary Archives has a reference that refers to a Miss Hayde from Kilduff, Limerick, who married a John Smithwick in 1791. She was the daughter of Richard Hayde from Castleleak, Tipperary. (This is probably Castlelake, a townland west of Cashel). Killdiff is a parish in Limerick and is different to the townland in Templemore. I don’t believe this reference is related.

Patrick and Michael were possibly the children of Pierce (Peter) and Mary Shanahan from Borris who had a Patrick and John Heade in Moycarky in 1801 and 1807 respectively. Michael could be another brother.

James who witnessed the marriage of Patrick in 1829 could be another brother.

Interestingly, there is a DNA match between a descendant of this family and that of the Ballinure, Tipperary families. The match is estimated as 5th to 8th cousins which, if assuming 25 years in a generation, makes the common ancestor between 1800 and 1900. Given that paper records show that it is not after 1820ish, then it must be very close to 1800.

Kilduff is shown on the map below:

Patrick B abt 1800 and Mary Mooney (b 1804)

Patrick and Mary married in Drom and Inch parish in 1829. Patrick was from Templemore. The marriage was witnessed by James Heade, presumably a brother. The children were baptised in the Templemore parish.

Patrick seems to have died some time between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England.

They were at no 6a Kilduff in the valuation records up until around 1850.

Their children were:

Nicholas Heade b 1831, Kilduff. D before 1861
John Heade b 1833, Kilduff. D 1898 Oldham
Patrick Heade b 1835, Kilduff. Patrick went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met a Lavina Kelly who he married in 1866. This family is outlined in more detail in the Middleton posts page.
Anne/Hannah Heade b 1837, Kilduff
Mary Heade b 1839, Kilduff
Pierce/Peter Heade b 1842, Kilduff. Mar Mary Premo. Peter emigrated to America in 1868, married in 1874 and settled in Detroit, Michigan. Their children are variously named Hade and Hayde. This family is described further at the Detroit posts page.
Bridget Heade b 1844, Kilduff
Margaret Heade b 1847, Kilduff

The descendants of Patrick and Mary settled in Middleton, England. They are described further in the Oldham and Middleton Posts page. The descendants of Peter and Mary can be described further in the Detroit page.

Michael b abt 1810 and Mary Mahoney

Michael and Mary married in Templemore parish in 1832. They were from Kilduff. Pat Heade (probably the Pat above) was a witness.

Michael and Mary were at 7d Kilduff in the valuation records up to circa 1856. Michael’s name was changed to Mary’s which indicate that Michael died.

Descendants appear in Queensland by 1874. I have not found any trace of their emigration records.

Their children were:

Patrick Heade b 1833, Kilduff (presumably died before 1836)
Pierce Heade b 1834, Kilduff, D 1913 Australia
Patrick Heade b 1836, Kilduff. Mar Mary McMahon 1874, Queensland. D 1920
- Michael James Hade b 1875, Queensland. Mar Sarah Mary Fanning 1902. D 1936
  - Mary Hade b 1902, Warwick, Queensland
  - William Patrick Hade b 1904, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Gertrude Lilian Newman. D 1971
  - Mary Ellen Hade, b 1907, Warwick, Queensland
  - Sarah Agnes Hade b 1909, Warwick, Queensland
  - Michael John Hade b 1911, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Dorothy Agnes Rose. D 1973
  - Kevin James Hade b 1913, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Kathleen May Roche. D 1988
    - Vincent Kevin Hade b 1940 d 2006
- Mary Anne Hade b 1877, Queensland. Mar Patrick John Ryan 1898. D 1916
- Susan Agnes Head b 1879, Queensland. Mar Thomas John Ryan 1902. D 1960
Ann Heade b 1838, Kilduff
Mary Heade b 1839, Kilduff
Bridget Heade b 1843, Templemore
Michael Heade b 1845, Templemore
Sarah Head b 1849, Kilduff. Mar Nicholas Leone 1877 and Charles Kolass 1905. D 1912

DNA testing of a descendant of Patrick’s has shown a link to Tree # 1 from Killenaule parish.

Moycarky Parish

In Moycarky parish there were:

Pierce (Peter) and Mary Shanahan who had Patrick Heade and John Heade in 1801 and 1807 in Borris. They appeared to be the earliest families in the Moycarky parish. They however did not feature in the tithes in the 1830s. Patrick possibly moved to Killduff and married Mary Mooney.
John and Margaret Shanahan who had a family in Leigh in the 1810s. They were possibly in Killough (by Galbertstown Lower) in 1829 and 1850.
James and Mary Meagher/Maher who were in the Tithe records at Ballinree in 1827 and had:
- Tom Head in 1817, Leigh, Tipp Nth
- William Hayde 1818, Ballinree
- Nancy Heade 1821, Ballinree
- Mary Head 1824, Ballinree
- Jas or John Hayd 1833, Ballinree
James Heyde who was in Galbertstown Lower in 1850. Parish records show that he (as James Hayde) married Cath Cantwell in 1845 and the parish record stated that he was from Killenaule. James and Cath moved to Thurles (as Hayde) in the 1870s and were running a grocery shop in town in the 1880s. James died 1898 and Cath 1908. Cath was possibly baptised Cashel parish in 1832.

The Holycross Old Graveyard contains the grave of Catherine Hayde died 1908. The gravestone was erected by Alderman Edward Cantwell, presumably her brother.

These families may have originated in Ballingarry or Killenuale and then moved around.

The DNA link between the Kilduff family and those in Killenuale show the link to Killenaule.

Thurles Township

Patrick b abt 1880 and Judith Ryan

I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish. These are:

James Heade b 1808
John Hade b 1811. John married Mary Ann Campbell in Leamington, Warwickshire in 1837. They had:
- John George Hade b 1838, Leamington. Mar Caroline (Letitia) Holtom 1862.
  - George Hade b 1862, Leamington
  - Arthur George b 1865, Oxfordshire. D 1889
  - Mary Lydia Hade b 1867, Worcestershire
  - Elizabeth Hade b 1871, Worcestershire
- James Hade b 1840, Leamington. Mar Sophia 1866
- Thomas Hade b 1842, Leamington. Mar Isabella 1887
- Mary Anne Hade b 1845, Leamington
- Elizabeth Hade b 1850, Leamington
Patrick Heade/Hade b 1821. Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolabeha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles. They had 2 children baptised in the Thurles parish and by 1851 they were on Alderney, in the Channel Islands. One daughter, Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881. This family is described further in the Channel Islands posts page.

The baptism of James in 1808 noted their address as New Street, which is probably in Littleton.

Patrick, the elder, was recorded as a clerk in 1808. It is interesting to speculate what clerical work he was doing at the time and indeed how he managed to obtain the skills.

Thomas Hayde b 1818

A Thomas Hayde from Littleton (b circa 1818 – 1823), joined the Dublin Met Police in 1850 (aged 27) and could also have been another son of Pat and Judith Ryan. He died a bachelor in 1864 (aged 46).

Michael Hayde b 1829

A Michael Butler Hayde b 1829 joined the RIC and then the army (43rd then 30th Foot) in Dublin in 1850. His army records stated he was born Moycarky parish, near Thurles. He served in the Crimean War in 1855 and retired as a colour sergeant to Dublin after 21 years service.

In the 1901 census he was aged 65 (born 1836!), a widower, in Clonmel with his sister Catherine Ryan (a widow) b 1846 and Catherine (b 1877) and Mary Roache (b 1899) (niece and grand niece). The 1901 census referenced his army regiment so we can be sure of this connection.

Catherine Ryan (b 1877) mar Michael Roach at St Mary’s, Clonmel in 1898. Her father was Michael Ryan, an artisan (dec). Mary Christine Roach was born Clonmel 17 Dec 1898 to Michael Roach (a soldier) and Catherine Roche nee Ryan. Catherine Ryan, grandmother, was present. Mary Roche mar John O’Connor in 1919, moved to England and then emigrated to Australia in 1955.

I have not found the baptisms of Michael (b 1829) or his sister Catherine (b 1846).

By 1911, Michael was aged 80 (b 1831) and was with nephew Michael Ryan (ie son of Catherine Ryan his sister) aged 29 (b England 1882) and g child Mary Bridget Ryan (b Clonmel 1902).

Michael was possibly in Balrothey, Dublin in 1873 where he had a daughter Ellen with his wife Eliz O’Connell. I have not found any record of the deaths of Ellen or Eliz O’Connell.

James Hayde b 1826

There is also a James Hayde who joined the RIC in 1849. He was recorded as being born in Tipperary North in 1826. He resigned in 1853 and emigrated to America. He travelled on Compromise from Liverpool which arrived in New York on 7 Sept 1853. I have however not found him in any American census or other records.

The detailed research notes can be seen at Tipperary North Families

Detailed research notes regarding Limerick can be found at Limerick Families

Channel islands (Tree # 7)

David Hayde — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 00:00:31 +0000

Patrick b 1821 and Mary Roche

As outlined in the North Tipperary posts page, I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish.

One of these was a Patrick b 1821. Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolabeha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles. Their children were:

James Heade b 1845, Thurles D before 1871
Mary Heade b 1848, Thurles
Margaret Heade b 1855, Alderney. In St Peter’s Port, Guernsey in 1901. No sign in 1911
Ellen Heade b 1861, Alderney
Matthew Heade b 1856, Alderney
John Heade b 1860, Alderney

Patrick was a mason. In Alderney in 1847, work began on building a long breakwater in Braye Bay. I suspect Patrick was attracted there to work as a mason on building this breakwater and other projects.

They were in the 1851 Alderney census as Heade, 1871 as Head, then in the Guernsey census of 1881, 1891 and (Margaret) 1901 as Hade.

Mary died in 1891 and Patrick in 1898. There is no sign of descendants of John. Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881.

Matthew arrived NSW 7 Nov 1881. He was a seaman and discharged from the ‘Sharpshooter’. He also arrived in NSW on 7 Nov 1881.

A photo of the gravestone of Patrick and Mary Roche in Le Foulon, Cemetery, St Peters Port, Guernsey is:

This gravestone can be found at grave no 62, section Y.

I have found no living descendants.

Middleton, England Families (Tree # 7)

David Hayde — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 23:00:33 +0000

Patrick Heade b abt 1800 and Mary Mooney

Patrick and Mary mar in 1829. Patrick was from Templemore. The marriage was witnessed by James Heade. The children were baptised in the Templemore parish. Their Irish origins are outlined in the Tipperary North page.

Patrick seems to have died sometime between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England. This is close to where Patrick and Ellen Doran (see Oldham page) were at the same time and they probably influenced this choice.

Their children were:

Nicholas Heade b 1831, Kilduff. D before 1861
John Heade b 1833, Kilduff. D 1898 Oldham
Patrick Heade b 1835, Kilduff. Patrick went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met a Lavina Kelly who he married in 1866.
- John Hayde b 1867, Middleton. Mar Margaret Loughlan 1898, Middleton
  - Norah Hayde b 1898, Middleton
  - Wilfred Hayde b 1900, Middleton
  - Edward Hayde b 1903, Oldham. Married but had no children
  - John Hayde b 1905, Oldham. D 1905
  - Margaret Hayde b 1906, Oldham
  - Bernard Hayde b 1908, Oldham. D 1908
  - Mary Hayde b 1911, Oldham
  - Cathleen Hayde b 1913, Oldham
- James Hayde b 1870, Middleton. Mar Agnes Leah 1895
  - Eveline Hayde b 1896
- Peter Hayde b 1872, Middleton. D 1873
- Hannah Hayde b 1875, Middleton. D 1879
- Nicholas Hayde b 1876, Middleton. Mar Janet Thomas 1921
- Mary Elizabeth Hayde b 1882, Oldham. D 1905
- Veronica Hayde b 1883, Oldham. D 1884
Anne/Hannah Heade b 1837, Kilduff. D before 1861
Mary Heade b 1839, Kilduff
Pierce/Peter Heade b 1842, Kilduff. He emigrated to America in 1868, married Mary Premo in 1874 and they settled in Detroit, Michigan. Their children are variously named Hade and Hayde. This is described further at the Detroit posts page.
Bridget Heade b 1844, Kilduff. D before 1861
Margaret Heade b 1847, Kilduff. D before 1861

They lived in Couper Row, Tonge, Middleton in the 1860 and 1870s. Patrick and Lavina settled in Dickens St, Middleton in the 1880s.

Middleton can be seen on the map below.

Detroit, Michigan (Tree # 7)

David Hayde — Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:29:06 +0000

Peter and Mary Premo

The origins of this family are explained in the Tipperary North and Oldham posts pages.

Peter (b 1843) arrived in NY on SS Pennsylvania on 13 April 1868. Also on the same ship was a John Hade. I am not sure of the connection between Peter and John.

Peter enlisted in the army in NY in 1869 and served a 5 year term to 1874. He married Mary Premo in Michigan in 1874 and by 1880 they had 3 children.

By 1900 they had 10 children with 9 surviving. Their children are:

Adele Josephine Hade b 1876. Mar Charles Green
Mary Agnes Hade b 1877
Peter Hade b 1879. D 1904
Charles Henry Hade b 1882. Mar Anna
John Nicholas Hayde b 1884. Mar Alice Balsey. John Hade, enlisted in the army in 1907 and was discharged in 1908.
- Madeline E Hayde b 1906
- Alice Mary Agnes Hade b 1910
Alice Mabel Hade b 1887
Arthur Earl Leo Hade b 1890
George Francis Lawrence Hade b 1896. Mar Emily Craig
Cecliia Eleanor Hayde b 1898. Mar William Spitter

They were recorded as Hade in the arrival records and the early census records. By the 1920s however they were using the name Hayde. Descendants are in Detroit.