Welsh Families (Tree # 2)

Lawrence b 1812 and Ellen Doran

As was mentioned in the Ballingarry posts page, Lawrence was probably born in Ireland in 1812 and moved to Cardiff with his wife, Ellen Dorman/Doran/Dearan/Davern, in circa 1835. They had 5 sons and 3 daughters. The civil records had 1 birth recorded as Hade and 2 as Hayd. The rest were recorded as Hayde.

According to a descendant, Lawrence was a groom on an estate in Ireland and Ellen was apparently the daughter of the house and that they eloped together. This probably explained why they ended up in Cardiff. Lord Bute was recruiting labourers at the time to help build the wharves in Cardiff. It appears that Lawrence continued to work with horses around the docks in Cardiff.

The marriage of Laurence and Ellen appears in St David’s Catholic church records for Cardiff on 3 Sept 1840 (but not in the civil records).  This was several years after they had three children,  the later two of which were baptised in the same church. Their first child was born in 1835 (date unknown) and some records suggest she was born Cardiff others Ireland.  It is possible that they left Ireland as Ellen was expecting their child and this did not go down well with their families.

Lawrence is not a common name in the Hayde family. It was used in Tipperary and in Wicklow in the late 1700s and early 1800s. It can also be found in the Galway area as part of the Heade families there.

To find a connection to Ellen, I have:

• Searched the list of Irish landowners in 1876, owning 1 acre and more, looking at Doran, Dorman, Davern, etc to find out where they were located.
• Searched Griffiths (1850 ish) indexes looking at variants and followed up on ones that lived in the same villages (or close to) where a Hade/Hayde/Heade family lived at the same time.
• Then looked at Tithe (1830 ish) records for the village identified from the Griffiths.

The list of landowners in 1876 showing relevant landowners and their locations did not really provide any conclusive clues. The Griffiths showed only one entry in Townlands close to where Hade/Hayde/Heade families  lived. This was for Boula, Ballingarry.

This showed James Doran owning 2 house and garden plots and Michael Doran owning a house.  John Doran owned a house and a house and office.  It also showed John occupying 34 acres owned by Ed Cooke and James occupying 8 acres also owned by Ed Cooke.  At the time of the Tithe in 1834, James occupied 8 acres as did John. A few houses away are John Hayde and Lawrence Hayde.  On the basis of the evidence outlined above, I have concluded that Lawrence and Ellen were from Ballingarry.

In the 1800s they lived in central Cardiff in what is now Barrack Lane plus Mary Anne Street and John Street. These streets are shown on a map from this time period below:

Two sons had families in Wales. Descendants are mainly in Wales.

A grandson, John Lawrence, served as a stoker in the Royal Naval Reserve Force on HMS Coleen from 1914-1919. Another grandson, Thomas, was killed during WW1.

The early descendants of Lawrence and Ellen are:

• Mary Ann Hayde b 1835, d 1882. The 1841 census shows her as born Cardiff but in 1851 and 1861 her birth was recorded as Ireland.  There is no sign of her baptism in Ireland or Cardiff. Mar John Noyes
• John Hayde b 1837, Cardiff d 1891. Mar Catherine Howells
  • Anne Hayde b 1864 d 1923. Mar James Sampson
  • Laurence Hayde b 1868. d 1868
  • Mary Catherine Hayde b 1870 d 1928. Mar Vito Florentiri then Lawrence Mellia
  • John Lawrence Hayde b 1872 d 1956. Mar Ellen Griffiths then Agnes Byron
    • John Hayde b 1902 d 1922
    • William Lawrence Hayde b 1910. Mar Shirley Perry then Shirley Rowe
• Michael Hayde b 1839, Cardiff. Mar Margaret Christopher
  • John Lawrence b 1876. D 1876
• Thomas Hayde b 1842, Cardiff. Mar Catherine Coughlin
  • James Hayde b 1864. Mar Margaret Ruby then Ellen Heap
    • James Hayde b 1888 d 1948. Mar Clara E Anderson
    • Nancy Hayde b 1905
    • Catherine Hayde b 1913. Mar Reginald Scott
  • Ellen Hayde b 1867 d 1933. Mar John Mohoney
  • Thomas Hayde b 1869 d 1916
• Ann Hannah Hayde b 1844, Cardiff d 1905. Mar Mark Blundell
• James Hayde b 1847, Cardiff d 1888
• Richard Hayde b 1849, Cardiff d 1849
• Ellen Hayde b 1850, Cardiff d 1952

A more modern map with Barrack Lane pin pointed is below:

Cardiff, Cardiff CF10 2GS, UK

There is an interesting connection to Malta with this family. In the 1800s Malta was a British naval fortress and the great coaling station of the Mediterranean. After the Suez Canal opened in 1869, nearly every steamer between Europe and the East coaled at Valletta’s Grand Harbour, and Maltese men by the thousand learned the trades of the steam age. Cardiff was at the end of the coal run. Cardiff at the turn of the century was the greatest coal port on earth.

Two of the daughters of John Hayde (b 1837) married into Maltese families.

Further details are available from the ancestry web site at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/52746022/family

The UK census records containing more details on this family are:

England, Wales and Scotland Census Extracts 1841 – 1911 {add latest}

The Family Posts page for Ballingarry covers more detail around other descendants from Ballingarry.