This families are grouped as Tree # 7 and are detailed at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51257626/family
These families can be summarised as:
Patrick and Michael, born circa 1800, who were in Kilduff in the 1830s. They were not in this village at the time of the Tithe records in 1827 and appear to have moved here when they married in 1829 and 1832 respectively.
At the time of the Griffiths valuation in 1850, Patrick and his family had left Kilduff. Michael’s wife Mary was however still there until around 1856.
The descendants of Patrick and Mary settled in Middleton, England. They are described further in the Oldham and Middleton Posts page.
The descendants of Michael and Mary settled in Queensland, Australia.
Patrick, born circa 1790, and Judith Ryan. They had a family in the Thurles area in the early 1800s. A descendant has been traced to the Channel Islands.
In the 1830s, Patrick and Michael were in Kilduff, a town in the foothills of the Kilduff mountains north west of Templemore.There was no sign of this family in the Tithe records. In the Griffiths records was Mary Headon. She was the wife of Michael as I have traced them via the valuation books, as Heade, at the same address.
In the Griffiths at Farenderra, Templemore were Tim, Mich, Pat and Thos Headen. It is possible that these families are linked.
The only hint of an origin is in an extract from the Walkers Hibernian Magazine from the Tipperary Archives. It refers to a Miss Hayde from Kilduff, Limerick, who married a John Smithwick in 1791. She was the daughter of Richard Hayde from Castleleak, Tipperary. (This is probably Castleleiny, a village SE of Templemore).
Another possibility is that they were the children of Pierce (Peter) and Mary Shanahan from Borris who had a Patrick and John Heade in Moycarky in 1801 and 1807 respectively.
Interestingly, there is a DNA match between a descendant of this family and that of the Ballinure, Tipperary families. The match is estimated as 5th to 8th cousins which, if assuming 25 years in a generation, makes the common ancestor between 1800 and 1900. Given that paper records show that it is not after 1820ish, then it must be very close to 1800.
Kilduff is shown on the map below:
Patrick mar Mary Mooney (b 1804) in Drom parish, 1829. They were from Templemore. The marriage was witnessed by James Heade, presumably an older brother. The children were baptised in the Templemore parish.
Patrick seems to have died some time between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England.
They were at no 6a Kilduff in the valuation records up until around 1850.
Michael mar Mary Mahoney in Templemore parish in 1832. They were from Kilduff. Pat Heade (presumably the Pat above) was a witness.
Michael and Mary were at 7d Kilduff in the valuation records up to circa 1856. Michael’s name was changed to Mary’s which indicate that Michael died.
Descendants appear in Queensland by 1874. I have not found any trace of their emigration records.
Patrick and Ellen
Patrick and Ellen (Doran/Dearan/Gorman) arrived in Oldham between 1829 and 1831 with 3 children. They had a further 3 children in Oldham. I found the baptism of the oldest child in the parish of Killenuale and Moyglass in 1836 where their residence was stated as Mardyke (I think they baptised an older child on a trip back to Ireland from Oldham).
There are many other Hayde/Heade families in this area being just north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry. Mardyke is a township just south of Templemore, which is not far from Kilduff.
Their children were:
This family is discussed further in the Oldham and Middleton posts page.
James and Bridget Meagher – Lickfinn in 1834 and 1850
Also in Mardyke in the 1830s were James and Bridget Meagher. Their descendants were:
Edward and Mary Morgan
Edward Hade (b 1811), son of John a gardener, arrived in Wigan before 1840. He married Mary Morgan and had a son Peter in 1840. By 1851 both Mary and Peter had died and he remarried, as Edward Hayde, a Margaret Conroy.
I have not found his Irish origins but I am treating him as connected to Tree # 7 in the absence of any other option.
In 1851 a John Gorman was staying with them. This provides a link (tenuous) to Ellen Gorman who married Patrick above.
Patrick and Judith Ryan
I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish. These are:
The baptism of James in 1808 noted their address as New Street, which is probably in Thurles.
Patrick, the elder, was recorded as a clerk in 1808. It is interesting to speculate what clerical work he was doing at the time and indeed how he managed to obtain the skills.
A Thomas Hayde from Littleton (b circa 1818 – 1823), joined the Dublin Met Police in 1850 (aged 27) and could also have been another son. He died a bachelor in 1864 (aged 46).
A Michael Hayde b 1829 joined the RIC and then the army in Dublin in 1850. His army records stated he was born Moycarky parish, near Thurles. He served in the Crimean War in 1855 and retired to Dublin after 21 years service. In the 1901 census he was in Clonmel with his sister Catherine Ryan (a widow) and Catherine and Mary Roach (niece and grand niece). Michael is probably related.
There is also a James Hayde who joined the RIC in 1849. He was recorded as being born in Tipperary North in 1826. He resigned in 1853 and emigrated to America. He traveled on Compromise from Liverpool which arrived in New York on 7 Sept 1853. I have however not found him in any American census or other records.
The detailed research notes can be seen at Tipperary North Families
Detailed research notes regarding Limerick can be found at Limerick Families
]]>Patrick and Ellen (Doran/Dearan/Gorman) arrived in Oldham between 1829 and 1831 with 3 children. They had a further 3 children in Oldham.
Their Irish origins are outlined in the Tipperary North page.
Patrick was an umbrella maker in 1841. He had died by the time of the 1851 census. Their children were:
They lived in central Oldham – Grosvenor St, Water St, Booth St and Ironmonger St. These streets are in central Oldham as can be seen from the old map below:
John Hayde, was ordained as a priest in Italy in 1867. He was in Cork in 1861 and again from 1877 to 1887. From 1873 to 1877 and then from 1887 to 1914 (when he died) he was at parishes in Cardiff.
Official church records describe how he was very popular with parishioners. A photo of him in 1896/97 is below:
A close up is:
The marriage was witnessed by James Heade. The children were baptised in the Templemore parish. Their Irish origins are outlined in the Tipperary North page.
Patrick seems to have died sometime between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England. This is close to where Patrick and Ellen were at the same time and they probably influenced this choice.
Their children were:
They lived in Couper Row, Tonge, Middleton in the 1860 and 1870s. Patrick and Lavina settled in Dickens St, Middleton in the 1880s.
Middleton can be seen on the map below.
]]>The origins of this family are explained in the Tipperary North and Oldham posts pages.
Peter (b 1843) arrived in NY on SS Pennsylvania on 13 April 1868. Also on the same ship was a John Hade. I am not sure of the connection between Peter and John.
Peter enlisted in the army in NY in 1869 and served a 5 year term to 1874. He married Mary Premo in Michigan in 1874 and by 1880 they had 3 children.
By 1900 they had 10 children with 9 surviving. Their children are:
They were recorded as Hade in the arrival records and the early census records. By the 1920s however they were using the name Hayde. Descendants are in Detroit.
]]>As outlined in the North Tipperary posts page, I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish.
One of these was a Patrick b 1821. Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolahaha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles. Their children were:
Patrick was a mason. In Alderney in 1847, work began on building a long breakwater in Braye Bay. I suspect Patrick was attracted there to work as a mason on building this breakwater and other projects.
They were in the 1851 Alderney census as Heade, 1871 as Head, then in the Guernsey census of 1881, 1891 and (Margaret) 1901 as Hade.
Mary died in 1891 and Patrick in 1898. There is no sign of descendants of John. Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881.
Matthew arrived NSW 7 Nov 1881. He was a seaman and discharged from the ‘Sharpshooter’. He also arrived in NSW on 7 Nov 1881.
A photo of the gravestone of Patrick and Mary Roche in Le Foulon, Cemetery, St Peters Port, Guernsey is:
This gravestone can be found at grave no 62, section Y.
I have found no living descendants.
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