David Hayde

Ballingarry, Tipperary, Ireland Families

 Tree # 02, Tree # 14  2 Responses »
Oct 202022
 

As described in the Irish Research page, the tax records of this area in 1666/7 showed the following 4 family units:

  • Edward Heade and James Heade in the Ballingarry area.
    • James was at Farranrory (by Bolintlea)
    • Edward was at Lisnamrock (by Ballyphilip)
  • James Heade at Ballyphilip (by Lickfinn and Knockadabe)
  • James Heade at Poynstown (this is west of Ballingarry by Gorteen)
  • Robert Heade at Ikerrin (in the civil parish of Lismalin, south of Ballingarry)

They were probably four of the 10 Heade (and variants) families in the 1659 census.

By the time of the tithe taxes of the 1820s, the descendants in the area were:

  • Patrick Heade at Boula (Bolinthea).  He was baptized in 1806 when parish records were started.  He appears to have been an adult at the time and was sponsored by John Langley, a large landowner in the area.
  • Michael Head at Knockadabe
  • James Head at Lickfinn (note that there were two entries. They could be the same person at both locations or more likely two different families).
  • Several Headon families in the Lismalin area on land owned by the Earl of Carrick, a descendant of Viscount Ilerrin.  By the 1850s there was a Thomas Hayde on a small plot at Islands, which is close to Lismalin. He married Bridget Cuddihy in 1832 and had four girls in the 1830s and 1840s

Lismalin is south of Ballingarry. Lickfinn and Knockadabe are close together while Boula is further north as can be seen from the map below:

Boula (Bolintlea)

At the time of the 1850 valuations, the two families living at Boula were John and Lawrence Hayde, the sons of Patrick and Catherine Hogan.

The main branches to the Boula tree appear to be:

1)  The Lawrence b 1812 who moved to Cardiff and settled there. Tree # 2

Lawrence (b 1812) and Ellen Doran arrived in Cardiff around 1836.  Descendants are in Cardiff. Their Irish origins are unknown but the most logical assumption is that they came from this area as Doran families were neighbours of the Hayde families in Boula. The descendants of Lawrence and Ellen are described further in the Welsh Family Posts.

2)  Patrick Heade from Boulea who was in the Tithe records in 1834. He married Catherine Hogan and their children were:

  • Elena Heade b 1806
  • Michael Heade b 1808
  • John Hayde b 1810 Coalbrook, who was farming 46 acres in 1850 in Boulea and by 1890 was farming 100 acres. He married Mary Croake and their children were:
    • Patrick Hayde b 1853. Mar Hannah Finane
      • John Hayde b 1892
      • Denis Hayde b 1895
      • Mary Hayde b 1898
    • James Hayde b 1853
    • William Hayd b 1854
    • Johanna Hayd b 1856
    • JohnHayd b 1858
    • Mary Hayde b 1859
    • Michael Head b 1861
    • Hannah Hayde b 1862
  • Nicholas Heade b 1812 Coalbrook
  • Patrick b 1815
  • Laurence Hayde, who was also in Boulea in the 1850s. He married Mary Butler and they had 8 girls.
  • Thomas Hayde b 1817 Glengoole, who married Mary Hennessy and had moved to Clonmel by the 1850s. They had:
    • John Hayde b 1848
    • James Hayde b 1849
    • Thomas Hayde b 1852
    • Catherine Hayde b 1854
    • James Hayde b 1856
    • Mary Hayde b 1859

I have found no living male descendants of Patrick.

3)  William b circa 1795, who was a teacher at Lisnamrock in 1824. He married Catherine Walsh and they had:

  • Thomas Hayes b 1816. D before 1854 as not mentioned as a sibling of Henry’s in 1854
  • Henry Heade b 1818. A pedlar in New York in 1854. Mar Catherine Duffy
    • William Hade b 1858, Chicago
    • Michael Hayde b circa 1860. Living South Amboy, Middlesex, NJ in the 1860s
    • Catherine Hade b 1866 Chicago
  • Richard Heade b circa 1820
  • William Hade b 1823. D before 1854 as not mentioned as a sibling of Henry’s in 1854
  • Ellen Hade b 1824
  • Cath Heade b 1828

Henry and Ellen were in New York in the 1850s.

Richard, was transported to Australia in 1843 for 14 years. He was convicted of appearing armed and assaulting habitation. He lived with his widowed mother Catherine at Lisnamrock at the time.

I have found no trace of Richard in Australia but an advert in the Boston Pilot by Henry indicated he was sailing to America in 1872.

Henry Hayde had a bank account at the New York Emigrant Savings Bank by 1854.  It recorded his birth in 1828 as being the son of William and Cath Walsh from Ballingarry.

The parish records however show his birth in 1818 and that they were from the village of Boula in Ballingarry. The bank records stated that he arrived on the Leviathan on 7 March 1853, although these arrival records are not on ancestry.com.

An 1860 entry in the bank records shows his address as being NJ and his wife as being Catherine Duffy with Michael, a child. He enlisted in the army at Albany in 1849 aged 25 (b 1824) and discharged 1854. He again enlisted in 1861 (aged 29 – b 1832) and was discharged July 1864 only to enlist again in Sept 1864. He died 1880 and Catherine was awarded a pension in Ohio in 1890.

Catherine (b 1847) was in the 1900 census with William (b 1871), Mary (b 1875), Ellen (b 1877), Anne (b 1880) and Helen (b 1882). She was described as having arrived in 1866 and as having had 7 children with 4 living.

Margaret was in the Toledo city directories for 1877 and Catherine was in this directory in 1887. William Hayde was also in the 1887 directory at the same address as Catherine.

The 1900 Toledo directory recorded Catherine, Annie C (a seamstress), Mary E (also a seamstress), Nellie and William P as all living at the same address.

A James H Hade was in the Toledo directory in 1910 and could be a child of William.

I have found no descendants of any of these people.

The family tree (Tree # 2) can be seen at the following ancestry web site https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/52746022/family

Knockadabe and Lickfinn (Tree # 7)

Michael mar Mary Cahill who were in Knockadabe in 1830 and Lickfinn 11b (owned by Palliser Weyland esq) in 1850. They had:

  • James Heade b 1832
  • John Heade b 1834
  • Elizabeth Heade b 1837
  • Mary Heade b 1840
  • Margaret Heade b 1843.

John and Margaret were possibly in Boston in 1864. {explain}

James and Elizabeth Wilson who were in Lickfinn in 1834 and 1850 (either 11c (owned by Palliser Weyland esq) or 22b (owned by John Langley esq)). They had:

  • William Heade b 1812, Lickfinn, Gorthahoe parish

James was a collier in 1812.

James and Biddy/Bridget Maher who were in Lickfinn in 1834 and 1850 (either 11c or 22b). They had:

  • Michael Heade b 1826, Ballingarry parish
  • Tom Heade b 1828, Gortnahoe parish
  • John Hayde b 1833, Mardyke, Killenaule parish. Mar Mary Murphy in Yorkshire 1866
  • James Hayde b 1835, Mardyke

The movement of this family around 3 different parishes implies a connection between the families in these parishes. This family is described further in the North Tipperary Posts page.

Derryvella and Gorteen

In the 1850s, there was a Matthew Hayde at Derryvella and Judith Hayde at Gorteen Lower.

These families may have descended from James Heade who was at Poynstown in 1666 or from other families in the area.  Descendants are:

Matthew Hayde at Derryvella

There was no sign in the Catholic parish records of Matthew.

James and Judith Conway from Gorteen Lower had:

  • Elizabeth Heade b 1827
  • John Hede b 1828
  • Margaret Head b 1830
  • Mary Heade b 1832
  • James Heade b 1834
  • Edmund Heade b 1837
  • Bridget Heade b 1841
  • Ellen Heade b 1843

Judith was at Gorteen Lower in 1850, which probably means that James died before then. She was there until the 1860s when they emigrated to America. They are covered in more detail in the Chicago Family Posts and are known as Tree # 14.

Lismalin/Islands

The land that Robert Heade was on in 1666/7 was owned by Pierce Butler, the 4th Viscount Ikerrin. His grandnephew, Somerset Hamilton Butler, the 8th Viscount, was created the Earl of Carrick in 1748.

A widow Headon farmed 7 acres at Lismalin in 1834. By the 1850s there was a Thomas Hayde on a small plot at Islands, which is close to Lismalin. He married Bridget Cuddihy in 1832 and had four girls in the 1830s and 1840s.  It is possible that Thomas was descendant from Robert.  The surname of his wife, Cuddihy, gives a clue to another connection. The name Cuddihy was prominent in Bolintlea in the 1830s.

In the parish records for Gortnahoe and Ballingarry there were also a number of other Hayde/Heade families in the early 1800s.  The linkages are not entirely clear as the records only started in the early 1800s.

Extracts from the Ballingarry parish records, the civil records, tombstones, valuation records, census returns and other records are at Ballingarry Families – Trees # 2 and # 14 

The graph below reflects the population trends in Ballingarry. It is probably also reflective of trends in other parts of Ireland.

Welsh Families (Tree # 2)

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Nov 262017
 

Lawrence b 1812 and Ellen Doran

As was mentioned in the Ballingarry posts page, Lawrence was born in Ireland in 1812 and moved to Cardiff with his wife, Ellen Dorman/Doran/Dearan/Davern, in circa 1836. They had 5 sons and 3 daughters. The civil records had 1 birth recorded as Hade and 2 as Hayd. The rest were recorded as Hayde.

According to a relative, Lawrence was a groom on an estate in Ireland and Ellen was apparently the daughter of the house and that they eloped together. This probably explained why they ended up in Cardiff. Lord Bute was recruiting labourers at the time to help build the wharves in Cardiff. It appears that Lawrence continued to work with horses in Cardiff.

Lawrence is not a common name in the Hayde family. It was used in Tipperary in Wicklow in the late 1700s and early 1800s.

I have searched for Doran/Dorman/Dearan/Davern families in Ireland and have found a Doran family in Boula, Ballingarry that lived not far from a Lawrence Hayde in the 1850s. I believe that this is the most likely origin of Lawrence and Ellen.

In the 1800s they lived in central Cardiff in what is now Barrack Lane plus Mary Anne Street and John Street. These streets are shown on a map from this time period below:

Two sons had families in Wales. Descendants are mainly in Wales.

A grandson, John Lawrence, served as a stoker in the Royal Naval Reserve Force on HMS Coleen from 1914-1919. Another grandson, Thomas, was killed during WW1.

The early descendants of Lawrence and Ellen are:

  • Mary Ann Hayde b 1835, The 1841 census shows her as born Cardiff but in 1851 and 1861 her birth was recorded as Ireland.  There is no sign of her baptism in Ireland or Cardiff.
  • John Hayde b 1837, Cardiff. Mar Catherine Howells
    • Anne Hayde b 1864
    • Laurence Hayde b 1868. D 1868
    • Mary Catherine Hayde b 1870
    • John Lawrence Hayde b 1872. Mar Ellen Griffiths
      • John Hayde b 1902
      • William Lawrence Hayde b 1910
  • Michael Hayde b 1839, Cardiff. Mar Margaret Christopher
    • John Lawrence b 1876. D 1876
  • Thomas Hayde b 1842, Cardiff. Mar Catherine Coughlin
    • James Hayde b 1864. Mar Margaret Ruby then Ellen Heap
      • James Hayde b 1888
      • Nancy Hayde b 1905
      • Catherine Hayde
    • Ellen Hayde b 1867
    • Thomas Hayde b 1869
  • Ann Hannah Hayde b 1844, Cardiff
  • James Hayde b 1847, Cardiff. D 1888
  • Richard Hayde b 1849, Cardiff. D 1849
  • Ellen Hayde b 1850, Cardiff

A more modern map with Barrack Lane pin pointed is below:

Cardiff, Cardiff CF10 2GS, UK

 

Further details are available from the ancestry web site at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/52746022/family

The UK census records containing more details on this family are:

England, Wales and Scotland Census Extracts 1841 – 1911 {add latest}

The Family Posts page for Ballingarry covers more detail around other descendants from Ballingarry.

Chicago, America Families (Tree # 14)

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Jul 262018
 

James and Judith/Johanna Conway

As was mentioned in the Ballingarry posts page, James Hayde (b 1826) and Judith or Johanna Conway had 8 children in the Gortnahoe and Ballingarry parishes in Tipperary, Ireland in the 1820s, 30s and 40s. They were from the village of Gorteen Lower where Judith was recorded in the Griffiths records of 1850.

Johanna and her children were in Chicago by 1870.  James probably died before 1850.

Gorteen Lower is marked on the map below:

The parish records showed that James and Johanna married in 1826 and they had the following children:

  • Elizabeth b 18 Jan 1827
  • John b 21 Sept 1828
  • Margaret b Oct 1830
  • Mary b 9 Nov 1832
  • James b 30 May 1834. Mar Elizabeth Coulter 1858
  • Edmund Charles b 28 Apr 1837. Mar Catherine Moran circa 1865
  • Bridget b 1841
  • Ellen b 1843. Mar Albert McVittie 1872

The 1900 census described James as having arrived in 1854 and Edmund as having arrived in 1860 (presumably with Johanna and Ellen).  I have found no trace of John. The 1920 census however stated that Edmund arrived in 1854. It seems likely that they arrived together in 1854.

It was common for new settlers in Chicago to have initially arrived in Canada before moving to America.  However I have not yet been able to trace their arrivals in either Canada or America.

James was Naturalised in 1868 and Edmund in 1888.

They both married and had families as can be seen in the family tree at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51471748/family

The families can be summarised below.

James (b 1834) and Elizabeth Coulter

James married Elizabeth Coulter in 1858 in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada and they had 7 children. Elizabeth was born in Hamilton so they celebrated their marriage in her parish.

One son was a policeman and another worked at Hayde and Reilly, a drygoods firm. There does not seem to be a surviving male from this family.

Elizabeth died 1914, b 1838. She is buried Calvary, Evanston.

Descendants are:

  • Elizabeth b 1859 Hamilton. Ontario, Canada. Mar Keiran Ryan
  • James P b 1861 Chicago. Mar Hattie Elenore Hull 1891
    • Marion b 1891. Mar Walter Vestal 1915
    • Hortense b 1893
  • William C b 1863. Clerk. He joined the army in 1883 and was discharged in 1884. D 1884. His obituary said he was from Tipperary.
  • John Wilson b 1865. Mar Catherine Voigt 1888. D 1940
    • James Henry. b 1888, d 1895
    • Ethel Evelina Teresa b 1889 All Saints parish. Mar Ray Bright 1920s
    • James Francis b 1891 All Saints parish
  • Robert C b 1868. Mar Alice McNeill Hopper 1892
    • Loyola Agatha b 1893 St Vincent de Paul parish. Mar Stanley Ralph Yates 1925
  • Helen b 1870
  • Mary Elizabeth b 1872, Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary parish, Mar George Patterson Koehler

In 1866, James owned a cemetery plot at Calvary, Evanston. He was buried there in 1925 together with Elizabeth who died in 1914, Keiran Ryan who died in 1933 and Alice Hayde (presumably nee Hopper) who died in 1938.  See below:

Edmund (b 1837) and Catherine Moran

Edmund married Catherine Moran circa 1865 and they had 10 children, 8 of whom were alive in 1900. 2 daughters became nuns and 2 others were school teachers. He was involved in one of the great historical events of Chicago because a business he ran of Hayde and O’Brien was destroyed in the Great Fire of 1871.

Edmund died in 1928.

Descendants are:

  • James A b 1867. Mar Margaret Reidy (b 1868) 1896 St Cecilia parish, Cook County
    • Margaret Mary b 1897 St James parish
    • Alice C b 1899 St James parish
    • James b 1905 Nativity of our Lord parish. Mar Gertrude 1929
      • Margaret b 1939
    • Thomas Joseph b 1904 Nativity of our Lord parish. Mar Mary J and then June Iris Donnelly 1947
      • Clementine
      • Thomas W
  • Mary A b 1868
  • Mary Loyola b 1869. D 1950
  • Ellen b 1870. D 1939. Buried Calvary. Mar Edward Deegan
  • Julia (Mary Ruth) b 1871
  • Catherine b 1873. Mar Joseph Brown
  • Alice G b 1876 Holy Name Cathedral parish. A teacher
  • Evelyn M b 1879. D 1968. Buried Mount Olivet, A teacher

Mary and Julia (Mary Ruth) became nuns.

Other Chicago Families that could be Related to James and Judith Conway

In the 1850s and 1860s the following families were in Chicago and could be related:

Henry (b circa 1830) and Cath Duffy

Henry is the son of William and Catherine Walsh from Boula, Ballingarry, Tipperary. He died 1880 and Catherine was awarded a pension in Ohio in 1890.

Boula is not far from Gorteen Lower and a connection is a high probability.

In 1860, the New York Emigrant Bank showed him living in NJ with Catherine Duffy and Michael, a child. He was in Albany in 1849 when he joined the army when he served until 1854. He enlisted again in 1861 and was discharged in 1864. He was in Chicago in 1864 and 1867.

He is not in the 1850, 1860, 1870 and 1880 census records {check these}.

Henry and Cath had:

  • William Hade b 1858 Chicago
  • Catherine Hade b 1866 Chicago

William and Catherine were both baptised in the Holy Family Church. This church dates back to 1858 and is on West Roosevelt St in central Chicago.

Bernard (b circa 1830)

In 1860, a Bernard Hade was in New York having been naturalized in 1856. By 1880, a Bernard Hayde born NY was in Chicago.  This could be a son and there may be a connection between Bernard and James/Judith but any connection is as yet unproven.

Descendants are:

  • Bernard b Ireland circa 1830
    • Bernard Hayde b 1855, NY. Mar Helen/Ellen Walsh 1874 Old St John parish, Cook County, Chicago. D 1909. Buried Calvary
      • Patrick Joseph b 1875. Mar Jane Bartley 1896. D 1945. Buried Calvary
        • Irene Hayde b 1897
      • Bernard b 1877
      • John b 1880, d 1884
      • James Joseph b 1882
      • Mary b 1886
    • John F Hayde b 1862, Ireland. He was dry goods salesman in 1900. He arrived in 1879. In 1880 he was a Hayd and by 1900 a Hayde and single. The connection to Bernard is yet to be proven.

James and Mary were baptised in the Holy Family Church as was Irene in 1897.

I have not traced any descendants of any of these families and any further information would be welcome

John (b 1846) and Kate/Cath Barry

John was born in New York. He and Cath had:

  • James Hade b 1871
  • John Hade b 1873. D 1910. Buried Mt Carmel, Hillside
  • Nicholas Hade b 1875. D 1907. Buried Mt Carmel, Hillside
  • Harriet Hade b 1877
  • Edward Hade b 1878
  • Edward Michael Hade b 1879
  • Kate Hade b 1881

All the children were born in Illinois. They were in Sherman St, Chicago in the 1880 census as Hade. John was a hackman. Nicholas and Kate were baptised at Old St Mary’s in S Michigan Ave and Edward a little further north at St Peter’s.

John (b 1846) died 1922. He was buried at Mount Carmel, Hillside, Cook County. In 1920 he was rooming with others including an Elizabeth Hade (b 1860) in Warren Avenue.

{need to find John’s ancestors in New York}

Chicago Families from County Carlow (Tree # 15)

Two brothers were in Chicago by 1860. The older brother (Patrick) had married in Carlow in 1844 and had arrived with his wife Jane by 1850. Maurice married in Carlow in 1851 and had arrived with his wife Catherine by 1860. I have not found their arrival records. They probably arrived in Chicago via Canada.

Patrick (b 1817) and Jane Garrett (b 1824)

Patrick and Jane had:

  • Mary b 1855

Patrick and Jane were in Chicago in 1850 and 1860 as Hade. He was a lumber inspector in 1860. By 1870 Jane was a widow and working as a grocer, the same occupation as Maurice. She was Hade in 1880 and Heade in 1880. In 1880 she was living in South Evanston.

Maurice (Morris) (b 1827) and Catherine

Maurice and Catherine had:

  • Mary Elizabeth Hade b 1855 Chicago. Sponsors were Patrick Hade (Maurice’s brother) and Elizabeth Hade. (I am not sure of the Elizabeth connection).
  • Ellen Ida Hade b 1856 Chicago. Mar Walter Gorman 1884
  • Margaret Ann Hade b 1860 Chicago
  • Michael John Hade b 1861 Chicago

Morris was a policeman in 1860 and a grocer in 1870. By 1880, Catherine was widowed and with Ida. They used Hade in all census records.

Mary and Ellen were baptised at Old St Patrick, Margaret at Holy Family Church and Michael at Old St Mary.

Maurice and Patrick Hayde owned a plot in Calvary, Evanston cemetery in 1865. Interned there were Ida and Walter Gorman who died in the 1920s and their three children who died in the 1940s.  See below:

Kilballyherberry, Tipperary, Ireland Families

 Tree # 01, Tree # 10  No Responses »
Oct 192022
 

1766 – Philip and John

The tax records of 1666/7 recorded a James Head from Kilballyherberry, Ballysheehan.  He was probably one of the 10 Heade (and variant) families recorded in the area at the time.

The Irish Research page explains these families in more detail.

By the time of the religious census in 1766, the two families in this area were Philip and Maria Kearney and John and Maria Monaghan. These two couples both had large families that were baptised in the Killenaule parish records that started in 1742.  However I can only find the descendants of Philip and Maria in these parish records. They were recorded as Head in the census records and Head and Heade in the parish records.

By the time of the tithe taxes in the 1820s, the descendants in the area were Thomas Hayde and Cath Kivane and Patrick Hayde and Cath Kelly both farming at Killhill, Kilballyherberry.  They were both grandchildren of Philip and Maria.

Thomas married Cath Kivane circa 1803 and Patrick married Margaret Kirwan in 1811 and then Cath Kelly in 1813. They both had families at Killhill between 1810 and 1840.

In 1827, Thomas and Patrick  were both farming on land owned by The Estate of Oliver Latham Esq. Patrick had a plot of 3a 1r 0p and Thomas’s plot was 3a 3r 0p. They both defaulted on their tithes (taxes) in the 1830s and were not on this land in the 1850s. I suspect they were evicted in the late 1830s/early 1840s after they both defaulted on paying their tithes.

The parish records also show many other family members in this area in the early 1800s.  These are summarised at the end of this page. There is also a very close link between these families and those in Ballinure, Noan and Killenuale which are outlined on separate pages.

The 1850s map of the landholdings of Kilballyherberry parish is shown below:

Killhill is the hill, shown as 794ft (241m) high towards the middle right of the parish map. The area shown as reference 1 in this map (which included Killhill) was a 24 acre plot farmed by Thomas Hogan in the 1850s.  In the 1820s Thomas Hogan farmed 14 acres, with Patrick, Thomas and some other small holders as neighbours.  I suspect the Hogan family consolidated their holdings after Patrick and Thomas left their small plots.

Killhill is now a wind farm as can be seen from the photo below:

Killhill is shown in the photos below.  They were taken on a foggy day in November 2016 and probably reflect what life was like in the early 1800s on this hill.

The photo below is from Killhill at the point where I think Thomas and Patrick had their plots.

The photo below shows the view from Killhill down towards Ballinure.

The eldest son of Thomas and Cath’s was Patrick Hayde (b 1803). He married Margaret Farrell in Carlow in circa 1840 and immigrated to London in the late 1840s during the potato famine.  One of their sons (the only child to live long enough to have a family) joined the British army.  He went to India with the army where he married and had a large family.  Descendants live in England, India, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.  This is Tree # 1 and is described in more detail in the New Zealand and India posts page.

Other sons moved to Ballinure and descendents are in the Ballinure/Cashel area. These families, and other descendants from the Killhill families are Tree # 10 and are described in more detail in the Ballinure posts page.

Records in London in 1870 (relating to Patrick b 1803) indicate that Thomas and Cath had died by then.  Given that Patrick could not read or write and had left Ireland by the late 1840s, I suspect they may have died by the time Patrick and Margaret left Ireland. By the 1840s they would have been in their 60s, which is much longer than life expectancy at the time

The early members of these two families can be summarised as:

Philip and Maria Kearney

  • John Heade b 1745. Mar Maria Murray
    • John Heade b 1764. Mar Joanne Duggan
      • Joannes Head b 1790
      • Patrick Head b 1796. Mar Margaret Kirwan then Cath Kelly – Killballyherberry in 1827. Tree # 10
        • Margaret Heade b 1814. Pos mar Patrick Raleigh and emigrated to Australia in 1870.
        • Mary Head b 1815. Pos mar William Dyer 1835. Son in Boston 1865.
        • Pat Hayde b 1819. Emigrated to America in circa 1847.  Lived Albany, NY State.
        • Margaret Hayde b 1824
        • John Heade b 1826. Emigrated to America circa 1850. Lived Albany, NY State.
        • Ellen Hayde b 1829
        • James Hayde b 1831. Emigrated to America circa 1853. Lived Albany, NY State.
        • Thomas Hayd b 1834
      • Bridget Head b 1799
    • Maria Heade 1779

Mar Cath Kennedy

    • Catherine Head b 1771 (Possibly married Tower Hamlets, London 18 Nov 1804. D 1840)
    • Anastasia Heade b 1786
  • Michael Heade b 1747. Mar Cath Nagle
    • Philip Head b 1786, d 1788
    • Thomas Head b 1788. Mar Cath Kivane – Killballyherberry in 1827
      • Patrick Hayde b 1803, d 1873, London. Mar Margaret Farrell (d 1861, Wolverhampton)- Tree # 1. This family is covered in more detail in the New Zealand, India and England posts page.

        • Edward Hayde b 1848
        • Margaret Hayde b 1849, London, d 1869, London
        • Patrick Hayde b 1853
        • John Hayd b 1855, d 1861, London
        • Ellen Hayde b 1858, d 1888, London
      • Mary Heade b 1811
      • Cath Hayde b 1813
      • Edmond Head b 1815. Mar Mary Barry then Mary Bulfin later in life- Tree # 10. # 9d, Noan (Piercetown) 1850

        • Catherine Hayde b 1844, Piercetown (Noan)
        • Thomas Hade b 1846, Piercetown. Married Margaret Russell 1868. Descendants in Ballinure.
          • Edmond Hayde b 1869, Ballinure. Mar Mary Dwyer 1879
          • Mary Hayde b 1871
          • Richard Hayde b 1874, D 1957. Mar Mary Conway 1904. # 18e Ballinure in 1901
            • Descendants in England
          • Michael Hayde b 1877. Mar Bridget Byrne 1926
            • Descendants in Ballinure and Clonmel, Cork and England
        • James Hade b 1849, Ballinure. Mar Alice Meacher 1864. Alice was in Grallagh (the parish adjoining Ballinure to the north) in 1901
        • Michael Hayde b 1853, Ballinure. D before 1901
        • Joanna Hayde b 1854, Ballynaglaragh (Noan). Possibly emigrated 7 Apr 1875
        • Martin Hayde b 1855, Piercetown
        • Mary Hayde b 1869, St Marys, Clonmel.
        • Margaret Hayde b 1871, Garraun
      • Nelly/Ellen Head b 1818
      • Peg (Margaret) Head b 1821
      • Tom Heade b 1824. Prob mar Mary Connors
        • Honnaria Hayde b 1841, Killhill. Married John Ware in New Brunswick in 1870.
        • John Hayde b 1844, Ballynaglaragh (Noan). Married Margaret Long in New Brunswick in 1870.
        • Michael Hayde b 1847, Curragh (probably Carrow, a townland north of Dually). Prob arrived NY 1873

        Thomas and Mary left Killhill and moved to Noan in the 1840s.  They clearly emigrated shortly thereafter as the children married in America in the 1870s.

      • James Hayde b 1826
      • Michael Heade b 1826

Pos married Ellen Wilson 1792

    • John Head b 1793
    • Ellen Head 1794
    • James b abt 1790 (connection assumed) and Mary Meagher/Maher – Ballinree in 1827
      • Tom Head b 1817, Leigh, Tipperary North
      • William Hayde b 1818, Ballinree
      • Nancy Heade b 1821, Ballinree
      • Mary Head b 1824, Ballinree
      • Jas or John Hayd b 1833, Ballinree

      Ballinree is a townland to the north west of Dually bordering Ballysheehan

  • Helena b 1749. Mar Tom Dwyer 1771 from St John’s parish
  • Honoria Heade b 1752
  • Maria Heade b 1753
  • Catherine Heade b 1756
  • James Head b 1759. Mar Eliz Wilson 1795 (pos ex wife of Michael who maybe died 1792)
      • John Head b 1796. Mar Mary Maher
      • Michael Head b 1798
      • Michael Head b 1800
  • Allina Head b 1762. Prob mar Edmund Looby 1789.
  • Eliza Heade b 1766

Further information is provided on the families that settled in Albany in the Albany posts page.

John and Maria Monaghan

  • Ellen Heade b 1749
  • Margaret Heade b 1751
  • Richard Heade b 1752
  • Catherine Heade b 1753
  • Thomas Heade b 1756
  • Margaret Head b 1759

Descendants of the above are difficult to track from the parish records.

Other Hayde Families from this area

There are also other families in the parish records of the time that are related but the links are unknown due to the lack of paper records. These are:

Patrick and Judith Bradley

  • Martin Hayd b 1835, Killhill
  • Harry Hayd b 1837, Killhill
  • Thomas Hayd b 1839, Killenaule
  • Catherine Head b 1841, Ballynaglaragh
  • Patrick Hayde b 1844, St Peter and St Paul, Clonmel

Patrick is clearly descended from either Philip and Maria or John and Maria but the records are not clear on how. What the dates show however is that they had moved from Killhill sometime in the late 1830s. Ballinaglaragh is a sub townland of Noan, which is the area that the family spread to.  The last birth in 1844 reflects their movement further south. There is no trace of this family after these dates and I suspect they were either famine casualties or emigrated.

How some of the early families in the area are all connected is not obvious from the paper records.  DNA testing however has shown that the families from Kilballyherberry, Ballinure and Noan have a common ancestor.

The detailed research notes for this can be seen at Ballinure and Killenaule area – Trees 1 ,6 ,8, 9 and 10

A map of the area showing Kill Hill and Ballinure marked is as follows:

Co. Tipperary, Ireland

Kilballyherberry, Co. Tipperary, Ireland

New Zealand, India and England Families (Tree # 1)

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Patrick Hayde b 1803 and Margaret Farrell

As described in the Killballyherberry posts page, this family originates from that area.

It starts with a Patrick Hayde, a descendant of Philip and Maria Kearney, who were farming at Killballyherberry in the 1600s.

Patrick was the eldest son of Thomas and Cath. He married Margaret Farrell in Carlow around 1840 and they emigrated to London shortly afterwards. The Carlow marriage reference came from the 1870 extract shown below.  I have not found this in any parish record.

They had 4 children in the Westminster area, most of whom died in London at an early age.

One son (Edward Harry b 1848) survived and joined the British army (67th Foot) at Taunton, Somerset (where he was living) in 1867. He was a violin player and his army career involved him playing in the band and being the bandmaster.

I could not find this family in the 1861 UK census.  Part of the problem I have with finding this family is due to their itinerant nature.  Patrick (a musician), and Margaret Farrell, had Edward (my great grandfather) in Westminster in 1848 (parish or street unknown), Margaret in St Mary’s Westminster (cottage at back of 48 Marsham St) in 1849, Patrick in St John’s Westminster (56 Orchard St by Westminster Cathedral) in 1853, John in St Luke’s (6 Edmonds Place, off Aldersgate St near to what is now the Barbican) in 1855 and Ellen in Marylebone (16 George St) in 1858.  Patrick died {in Marylebone in 1854}, John in the Earls Court Workhouse in 1861, Margaret (a musician) in the Workhouse in Greenwich in 1869 and Ellen (a laundress in Deptford) in Greenwich in 1888.

In between, Margaret (nee Farrell) died in Wolverhampton (Back Lane, part of the Irish slum known as Caribee Island at the time) in 1861. Her death was in the civil records as Aide.

A map of this area in the 1870s is shown below:

Back Lane is now a main road leading out of the Wolverhampton railway station seen on the right.

I have found Patrick (the elder) in the 1871 London census.  He was listed as Patrick Hyde, widower, born 1803 in County Tipperary, Ireland, residing in the Islington Workhouse.  I have found his movements from 1869 – 1873 (when he died) in the Greenwich, Islington and Croydon areas. I found Patrick in the Islington Workhouse records in 1870 as a pauper. The civil records show Patrick Hayde died in 1873 in Croydon Workhouse aged 70 (ie born 1803).

The first entry of Patrick Hayde into the Islington parish records in October 1870 confirmed his age, place of birth and parents.  It also described him as being a bag pipe player and as also having a dislocated hip which probably entitled him to treatment in the parish. This entry is shown below:

The area in Westminster that they were recorded in when Patrick was baptised in 1853 adjoined a notorious slum called Devil’s Acre.  Cardinal Wiseman described the area in 1850 as:

Close under the Abbey of Westminster there lie concealed labyrinths of lanes and courts, and alleys and slums, nests of ignorance, vice, depravity and crime as well as of squalor, wretchedness and disease.  The population, nominally Catholic, haunts of filth.

The Devil’s Acre with the Palace of Westminster in the background, in an 1872 illustration by Gustave Doré. The illustration shows the Devil’s Acre some years into the slum clearance, with the courtyard of small low-lying houses surrounded by multi-occupancy houses fronting onto Old Pye Street.

Above is a map of the Westminster area of London in 1868. It shows Orchard St, off Dean Street, where the family lived in 1849.

Above is a map of the City of London about the same time period. It shows Edmonds Place off Aldersgate Street at the top centre.

Edward and Martha

Edward enlisted for a 12 year term with the 67th Foot at Taunton, where he was living, on 9 March 1867.[1]  He received a bounty of one pound to sign up and his trade was listed as a violin player.  He was 19 years old, 5ft 91/4 tall, sallow complexion, grey eyes and dark brown hair. He was illiterate at the time and the document recorded an X as his mark of signature.  He joined the unit in Cork, Ireland.  The units’ movements were as follows:

Curragh Camp (Dublin)                                   Jan 1868

Portsmouth                                                      June 1868

Aldershot                                                          August 1869

Dover                                                                February 1871

Shorncliffe                                                       September 1871

Departed for Burma                                      31 October 1872

East Indies (India)                                           4 March 1876 to 11 April 1888[2]

In 1881 the 67th foot became 2nd Battalion Hampshire Regiment.  In 1887 Edward transferred to the 1st Battalion, probably to enable him to stay in India.

Edward married Catherine Gilaghan while at Shorncliffe Camp, Kent on 12 March 1872.[3]  Catherine died on 7 July 1873[4] (aged 25) and Edward remarried a Martha Rebecca Featherstone on 2 May 1876 in India.

Edward re-engaged for a 21 year total service period in December 1874.  He received several good conduct awards and was promoted Lance Corporal in 1882, Corporal in 1884 and Bandmaster Sergeant in 1885.  He fought in the Afghanistan campaigns of 1878 and 1880. The medals he was awarded would have looked like:

He passed his Third Class education certificate in Sept 1883 by which time he could sign his own name and ensure that the army records also had his name spelt correctly.  What I am not sure about is how he knew what the right spelling was when based in India, miles from other family.

The Royal Hampshire Regimental Museum in Winchester has copies of the monthly regimental magazine called “Our Chronicle”.  It was started in 1872 when the regiment arrived in Burma and recorded the social, administrative and military activities of the regiment.  Edward featured in it several times in connection with his violin performances.  One article said “The violin solos of Private Hayde well sustained his fairly earned reputation.  Hayde was vociferously encored”.

Patrick was recorded in the Chelsea Pensioners lists of 22 May 1888 as being eligible for a pension after 21 years service.

A son of Edward, Frederick Joseph, enlisted in the Royal Artillery in Madras on 21 September 1897.  He was 14 years 11 months old, 4ft 11in tall, fair complexion, fair hair, and grey eyes.  He was discharged as a Corporal on 22 March 1910 having served 12 years.  During this time he spent 3 years in England (1904 to 1907) with the rest of the service done in India.

Two of Edward’s other sons (he had 8 sons and I daughter) also served in the British army.  These were Edward Samuel born 1879 (enlisted 1893 and served 21 years), and Patrick George born 1888.

The youngest son, Ernest Victor, born 1897, served in the Indian army during WW2.

Their family tree can be summarised as:

  • Ellen Rebecca Hayde b 1877, Madras. D 1878.
  • Edward Samuel Hayde b 1879, Bangalore. Mar Constance Conroy
    • Frederick J Hayde b 1908. Mar Grace Cook
  • Frederick Joseph Hayde b 1882, Cannamore. Mar Evelyn Conroy
    • Dagma M Hayde b 1910
    • Comfort C M Hayde b 1912
  • Harry James Hayde b 1884, Bangalore. D 1900
  • Albert Featherstone Hayde b 1886, Secunderabad. D 1902
  • Patrick George Hayde b 1888, Secunderabad
    • Adelaide Hayde
    • George Hayde
    • Dennis Hayde
  • Walter Driscoll Hayde b 1890, Secunderabad. Mar Clarice Lear
  • Cyril John Hayde b 1892, Deesa. Mar Agnes Lear
  • Ernest Victor Hayde b 1897, Poona
  • Millicent Anne Hayde b 1903, Bangalore. Mar Gerald McCosh

Note how two brothers married two sisters twice!

Edward was a volunteer bandmaster when Walker was born in 1890.

A photo of Edward in the early 1900s is

A family group photo:

Originally it was thought that this photo was probably taken in around 1900, shortly before Harry died. However, that was before discovering the birth of Millicent born in 1903.  We now believe that this was taken in more like 1905 and included Millicent (in the dress) and not Harry who died in 1900.

The family tree can be seen in detail at https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/51646201/family

Edward died in circa 1905 and Martha married a Frank Cook. Millicent adopted the surname Hayde-Cook.  She married in India and left India for the UK in 1948.

Most of the surviving members of the family left India in the late 1940s and early 1950s.  Some went back to the UK while others went to New Zealand.

Footnotes:

[1] The enlistment form recorded him as Edward Hayd

[2] The service records have him as Hayd to 1872 and then Hayde thereafter although at times the e was dropped for a while and then returned.

[3] This marriage was recorded in the Civil records under the name Hayd

[4] Recorded in “Our Chronicle”

 

Albany, New York State, America Families (Tree # 10)

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Patrick b 1796 and Cath Kelly

As described in the Kilballyherberry posts page, Pat Hayde and Cath Kelly farmed a 3 acre plot in Killhill, Tipperary in the early 1800s.  They had 8 children that can be traced in the baptism records of the Boherlahan and Dually parish.

Pat is descended from Philip who was farming this land in 1766 with his wife Maria Kearney. They had 9 children and one was the grandfather of Pat.

In the 1830s Patrick defaulted on paying his tithes (taxes) and he appears to have been evicted from this farm.

Of the 8 children, 4 appear to have emigrated to America in the 1850s – Mary (b 1815), Patrick (b 1819), John (b 1826) and James (b 1831). There is no trace of descendants of any of other children in Ireland so they presumably died young.

Two of the sons, John (b 1826) and James (b 1831) were referenced in an advert in the Boston Pilot in 1865 where a nephew (Martin Dwyer) was looking to find them and their last known address was in Albany, NY. Mary (b 1815), married William Dyer in 1835 and it was probably his son Martin who was looking for John and James in 1865.

In 1850, Patrick was in Albany, NY. In 1860, he had married and had been joined by James and John who had also both married. In 1855, Patrick was noted as having been in Albany for 7 years. This probably means he arrived from Cork on the Brig D.B on 24 May 1847. John probably arrived on the Niagara on 12 Sept 1850 and James on Compromise on 7 Sept 1853. Their surnames were variously spelt as Hayde, Hade, Hayd and Head in these records.

I am not sure why they settled in Albany. Albany was a large city and a hub for transportation in the mid 1900s. It was (and still is) the capital city of New York State. There is however no obvious reason why Patrick settled in Albany when he arrived in 1847. He was a labourer in 1850 and a servant in 1855. He didn’t marry until circa 1857 so it couldn’t have been any in-law influence.

In the 1830 and 1840 censuses, Albany was ranked as the 9th largest urban space in America and perhaps that attracted immigrants. It is shown on the map below:

The above map shows the location of Albany City in Albany County and the State of New York.

Patrick (b 1819, prob d 1902) and Mary Cassidy

Patrick (b 1819) and Mary had Ellen (b 1855), Mary (b 1860), Margaret (b 1862), James (b 1864), Katie (b 1866 d 1891), Annie (b 1867 d 1883), Martha (b 1869 d bef 1880), Patrick (b 1876 d 1890) and John (b 1879 d 1883).

Patrick was probably naturalized 1868. He was also in the 1863 Civil War Draft Registration as Head. They were in Park Ave, Albany City as Haed in 1880.

The Albany City Directories show:

  • Patrick Hayde, gas foreman, Park Ave 1874, 1875

They were in the 1880 census of Albany as Haed.

Patrick d 1888, Kathy d 1891 and Mary d 1889 were buried Menands Cemetery, Albany.

No-one from this family was in Albany in 1900 and there does not seem to be any trace of them in other counties or states.

John (b 1826) and Mary

John (b 1826) and Mary (b 1830) had Margaret (b 1855), Hannah (b 1858), John (b 1858 d 1858) and James J (1862) and can be traced to the 1870 (as Hade), 1875 (as Hayde) and 1880 (as Hade) census records.

In 1864 the Albany Directory noted that they were living at 67 Schuyter St, the same address they were at in the 1880 census.

Johon prob died 1891 and was buried Menands Cemetery, Albany.

The 1892 census showed Mary aged 50 (b 1842), Margaret 20 (b 1872), Anna 18 (1874) and James 22 (b 1870).

In 1900, Mary was living at Mulberry St, Albany and was recorded as having had 4 children with 3 still living. Mary was with Margaret (b 1874), Hannah (b 1876) and James (b 1877).  They were noted as being her children however the dates of birth are markedly different.

By 1910 the children were still living together in Mulberry St and were all single. In 1920, just Margaret (b 1878) and Anna (b 1882) were living at 53 Mulberry St.  The ages seem to get progressively distorted.

The Albany City Directory records show:

  • John at 53 Mulberry in 1885
  • John at 53 Mulberry with James J in 1888 and 1889
  • John died 30 Apr 1891
  • Mary Hayde as a widow of John in 1891, 1892, 1896 and 1903 at 53 Mulberry St
  • James J Hayde as a boatman then gardener in 1891, 1892, 1895, 1896, 1903, 1905, 1909, 1911 also at Mulberry St
  • James J Hayde as having died 19 Nov 1914
  • Margaret M E at 53 Mulberry in 1915, 1923, 1928
  • Hannah/Ida at 53 Mulberry in 1923, 1928

Then also (with connection uncertain):

  • John and Mary Hayde at 27 Central Ave in the 1950s
  • John J Hayde as having died 16 Dec 1953
  • Mary widow of John 27 Central Ave 1955, 1957

A John Hayde, b 1868 Albany, traveled from the Bahamas to New York in 1939. He was single. He is possibly the John who died in 1953.

James (b 1831) and Mary

James (b 1831) and Mary had Margaret (b 1857), Mary (b 1855), John (1862), Patrick (b 1864 d 1864). The 1870 census however did not include Margaret and by 1875 James was also missing from the census.

The 1863 Civil War Draft Registration included James Hade from Cherry St, Albany. The 1864 and 1869 Albany Directory had them staying at Cherry, near Green. James was naturalized on 7 Aug 1868.

The Albany City Directory records show:

  • James Hayde 49 Bassett 1861
  • James Hayde, carman, 71 Cherry in 1874 (note the 1875 census did not include James)
  • Mrs James Hayde 71 Cherry in 1875, 120 Arch in 1876 and 21 Broad in 1879
  • John Hayde, labourer, 269 Green in 1874, 1875

There is no trace of them in Albany in 1880 or later census records. There is also no obvious signs of them in another county or state.

 

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Ballinure and Noan, Tipperary, Ireland

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Oct 192022
 

As outlined in the Irish Research page, there were two relevant families in the Ballinure and Noan area in 1659. From the 1665/6/7 Heath records these can be seen as:

  • John at Ballinure (a townland in the civil parishes of Graystown and Ballysheehan and the Catholic parishes of Killenuale and Boherlahan and Dualla)
  • Thomas at Graystown (Noan is a townland in the civil parish of Graystown and the Catholic parish of Killenaule)

No records from the 1766 Religious census exist for this area so the Catholic parish records and the Tithe taxes in 1830 need to be relied upon to pick up the thread of ancestors.

The following families were in the Tithe records of 1830:

  • John Heade. John was at Noan. He married Mary Maher.
  • Edmund Heade. Edmund was at Noan. He married Ellen Carroll and they had a family in the early 1800s.
  • James Heade. James was at Noan. He married Catherine Carty and they had a family in the early 1800s. One son was at Carrow in 1850 and another at # 13 or 15 Noan in 1850. Descendants are in Noan, Ballinure and America as outlined below.

Ballinure and Noan were adjoining villages as can be seen from the map below.

These families were:

John and Mary Maher – Noan 1830

Edmond and Ellen Carroll – Noan in 1830

  • Ellen Head b 1815, Ballinure
  • Mary Hayde b 1822, Ballinure

James and Catherine Carty – Noan in 1830 – Tree # 10

  • Ellen Hade b 1814. Mar James Fair in 1843 and emigrated 1848 to America. Settled in Wisconsin
  • James Hayde b 1818, Ballinure. Mar Cath Quinlan. Carrow in 1850 as Hayde. In 1850 they were in a house on the main road between Ballinure and Dually. They moved from this house in the 1860s and were in Thurles in 1880s-1908.
    • Mary Hayd b 1846, Carrow (a townland north of Dually)
    • James Hayd b 1849, Carrow
    • Denis Hayde b 1851, Carrow
    • Thomas Head b 1854, Garraun
  • Edmond b ?. Mar Margaret Byrne – Noan (#13 or 15) as Hayde in 1850
    • Patrick Hayde b 1839, Ballinure
    • Ellen Hayde b 1842, Ballinure
    • Margaret Hayde b 1844, Piercetown (Noan) – Mar Boston in 1873
    • Edmond Hayde b 1847, Piercetown. Mar Mary Shea.
      • Had a family in Ballinure. Some emigrated to Boston in early 1900s.
    • Richard Hayde b 1852. Mar Margaret Ellie, Boston 1882. They did not appear to have any children.
    • Kate Hayde b 1853, Piercetown
    • Alice Hayde b 1855, Ballinure – Died Boston 1887
    • Mary Hayde b 1857, Ballinure – Emigrated to Boston
    • Elizabeth b circa 1858 (dau of Edward from Ballinure. Mar Patrick Connors 1878)

By the time of the Griffiths records in 1850, there was also the following family in the area:

Patrick Hayde married Margaret Loughlin at Ballinure in 1846 – 12a Ballinure in 1850. This is in the subtownland of Piercetown

  • Mary Heade b 1847, Ballinure

They also had a Patrick….

There are also other Hayde/Heade and Hade families in the early parish records as can be seen from the detailed research notes made from the parish records, the civil records, valuation records, directories, graveyards and the 1901 and 1911 census for this area in Ballinure and Killenaule area – Trees 1 ,6 ,8, 9 and 10

These include:

Patrick and Joanna Power – Tree # 6

Patrick joined the army at Kilkenny in 1842.  One of his children were baptised in Killenaule parish which links him to the family.  This family is described in more detail in the Bury Posts page.

The DNA of a descendant is also very similar to descendants of Trees # 1, # 9 and # 10 which also links him to this area.

Edmond and Catherine Liddy. Edmond died 1865 aged 40. It is not entirely clear from the parish records who his parents were. Catherine and family emigrated to New York in the late 1860s. This is Tree # 9 and is described in more detail in the New York posts page.

Is he 9d Noan 1850 as Hayde?

  • Patrick Hayde b 1850, Ballinure
  • John Heade b 1852, Ballinure
  • Cath Hayde b 1853
  • Elizabeth Hayde b 1855, Ballinure
  • Ellen Hayde b 1857, Ballinure
  • Edmund Hayde b 1859, Ballinure
  • Mary Hayde b 1861
  • Bridget Hayde b 1863, Ballinure

The Griffiths map of the area in the 1850s is below:

Ballinure is the village in the centre.

{explain the plots}

Ballinure can also be seen at the modern map below.

Co. Tipperary, Ireland

The original parish church in Ballinure is now rather dilapidated as can be seen from the photo below.

This church is just outside Ballinure on the road to Dually.  It has several Hayde graveyards.

I suspect all the Hayde families from Killhill, Killenaule, Ballinure and Noan gathered at this church.

Bury, England Families (Tree # 6)

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Patrick and Johanna Power

Patrick Hayde joined the 31st Foot on 10 April 1842 aged 18 (ie born 1824 [1]) at Kilkenny.  His enlistment papers stated that he was born in Fethard, Fethard parish, Tipperary.  He was a tailor by trade and he was 5’ 7 with blue eyes, brown hair and a sallow complexion.  Unfortunately I cannot find his birth record in the Fethard (or any other) parish records.

In 1846 he was transferred to the 50th Foot and then to the 32nd Regiment where he served until 1853.  He was discharged having served 11 years due to ill health.  He had hepatitis and a disease of the lungs.

In 1854 he was in Clonmel and in 1857 he was a sergeant in the South Tipperary Militia based in Waterford.

In 1858 he joined the 20th Foot (2nd Bn) at Cahir (which is south of Cashel and not far from Clonmel) as a sergeant (two weeks after the birth of his second child) and was again discharged in 1863.  The regiment was based in Ireland until 1858, then Aldershot to 1861, Montreal to 1862 then back to Aldershot before moving to Portsmouth in 1863.

Patrick purchased his discharge from the army in 1863 for pds18[2].

From 1863 until 1866 he was instructing privately.

He and his wife, Johanna Power, had 6 sons and 4 daughters.  They lived in Ireland to 1858 then at Taunton (1864, 1866), Portsmouth (1868, 1870), Liverpool (1873) and Bury (1875).  In 1866 he was back to being a tailor.  In 1868 he was a civil guard in Portsea, by 1870 he was a sick bay steward on HMS Volage[3], then he was on HMS Hercules, and by 1873 he was a Greenwich pensioner and in 1875 a Chelsea pensioner.

I found the marriage of Patrick and Johanna in Clonmel records in 1855.  They were both recorded as paupers.  Their first child in 1856 was baptized in Clonmel parish.

A son was born in Killenaule in 1862 when Patrick was serving with the army in Canada. This clearly connects them to the Ballinure area.

It is also interesting how Patrick was in Taunton at the same time that Edward (see Tree # 1) enlisted in the 67th Foot at the same place in 1867.

In June 1876 a son, Joseph, was on trial for larceny.  He was acquitted.

In 1871, Johanna was recorded in the Portsmouth census as being the wife of a steward in the Royal Navy.  Patrick died in Bury in 1880 and at the time of the 1881 census his wife Johanna was living in Bury, with 9 children (one had died young).  It appears that Patrick and family moved to Bury around 1875, when Patrick was almost 50.  Bury has the barracks for the Lancashire Fusilliers, which was what the 20th Foot became.

He may have moved there to be close to his old regiment. Perhaps he had a pension from the army, or maybe he just wanted to be close to old colleagues.

Two of their children, William Augustine (born 1860) and George Vincent (born 1866) emigrated to America in the late 1880s.  The rest stayed and their many descendants are mainly in this area, although in the last 30 years have spread south.  I have found the descendants of William in America but not those of George.

According to a descendant, Patrick was a Bandmaster in the Lancashire Fusiliers.  I however did not find this referred to in the Army records.  My ancestor from Tree # 1 was however a Bandmaster and I wondered if the relative had mixed up the stories she had heard.

The map of Bury on the page below shows where the family lived between 1881 and 1901.

The family can be summarised as:

Patrick and Johanna Power

  • Margaret Hayde b 1856, Clonmel
  • Patrick Joseph Hayde b 1858, Cahir, Tipperary. Mar Sara Hobson/Holden in 1881. Descendants in Bury
  • William Augustine Hayde b 1860, Somerset. Emigrated to America in 1880 and mar Adelaide Kelly 1906. Descendants in New York
  • Thomas Hayde b 1862, Killenuale. Mar Mary Carroll 1884. Descendants in Bury and Rochdale
  • Hanora Hayde b 1864, Taunton
  • George Vincent Hayde b 1866. Emigrated to America
  • Mary Anne Hayde b 1868, Portsmouth
  • Henry Hayde b 1870, Portsmouth. Became a Redemptionist Brother
  • Johanna Hayde b 1873, Liverpool
  • Edward Hayde b 1875, Bury. Mar Clara Annie Smith 1898

A copy of this family tree is at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51256936/family

This tree is genetically linked to Trees # 1, 9 and 10 that all originate from the Ballinure area.

[1] His date of birth was on a declaration Patrick made at Portsea on 23 May 1867 as 17 March 1827! If correct this meant he enlisted when he was 15. It was not unusual at the time for recruits to lie about their age in order to be able to enlist.

[2] A 1866 court case explains where these funds came from.

[3] HMS Volage was originally an iron screw corvette launched in 1869 and was sold in 1904.  In the 1890s it, together with 3 sister ships, were training ships.

New York, America Families (Tree # 9)

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Edward and Catherine

Edward and Catherine Liddy/Leadon had 8 children in the Killenaule parish in Tipperary, Ireland in the 1850s and 1860s. They were living in Ballinure at the time. Their origins are outlined in the Ballinure posts page.

Edward died of a fever in the Cashel workhouse aged 40 on 20 March 1865, leaving Catherine and the 8 children of:

  • Patrick b 1850
  • John b 1852
  • Catherine b 1853
  • Elizabeth b 1855. Pos mar Patrick Connors 1878, Ireland
  • Ellen b 1857
  • Edward b 1859
  • Mary b 1861
  • Bridget b 1863 d 1865, Ireland

The Ireland land valuation records showed that they probably lived at plot 12 in Ballinure in the 1850s. At the time, Hayde families lived on plots 10, 12a, 19 and 17b. These were all small plots of land centered around the villages of Ballinure and Noan.

The valuation records showed that they left this plot in the late 1860s – which is consistent with the death of Edward and their emigration to America.

In 1870, Cath was with sons Patrick and John in New York. Also with them was John Leddy, presumably a brother of Caths’.

Patrick probably arrived in 1868 although I have not found any arrival records of the others nor of John Leddy. Edwards’ naturalization records of 1886 said he arrived 1871. Patrick was naturalized 1872 and John 1876. Patrick was a driver (probably of a train), John a brakeman and Edward a fireman when they were naturalized.

By 1880, Patrick had married Sarah Wiley and John had been joined by Edward, Kate and Nellie (Ellen). Patrick was at W 35th St and the others at W 32nd St in Manhattan.

Mary also emigrated to NY in 1882 and married a Michael Smith in 1889.  Ellen married Patrick Dowling in 1884.

Patrick (b 1850) and Sarah Wiley

Patrick and Sarah Wiley had 3 children. Cathy in 1876, William James in 1883 and Joseph Patrick in 1886. Patrick died in 1889 and Sarah remarried Christopher Kruger, who had died in 1897. She appears to have had Eugene 1890, Walter 1892 and Sadie 1894 to him. Sarah became a McCarthy in 1903.

William James and Joseph Patrick both married twice and many descendants in New York can trace themselves back to one of these two families.

The descendants are:

  • Catherine b 1876 d 1937. Mar Edward Connor.
  • William James Hayde b 1883 d 1966 and Mary Lee
    • James Fletcher b 1903. Mar Margaret Locasio 1926
      • Donald Francis Michael Hayde b 1926 d 2003. Mar Joan Cora Mayfield
    • William Anthony b 1906 d 1971. Mar Elizabeth McGuiness 1930
    • Dorothy b 1908. Mar Girado/Gerard Minlionica 1928
    • Robert b 1911. Mar Antoinette Fasano
      • Mary b 1934
      • William Albert b 1935 d 2004. Mar Corinne Roquist
      • Albert b 1939 d 2008
    • Edward b 1913/ Mar Helen McNulty 1947
      • Edward b 1950
      • Gerard
      • Jimmy
    • Francis b 1915 d 1981.
      • Edward
      • Frances
      • George
      • Raymond.  Mar ? Warden
      • William
    • George b 1918 d 1977. Mar Helen Connors 1939
      • Alison
      • Jo-Anne b 1945
      • Teresa
    • Walter b 1920
    • Harold b 1920 d 1977. Did not marry
    • Raymond b 1926 d 1958. Mar Anna Nicoletti 1947
      • Raymond b 1948
      • Thomas b 1949
      • Anna Lee b 1949
      • Timothy b 1952
  • William James Hayde and new wife
    • John b ?
    • Annette b ?
  • Joseph Patrick Hayde b 1886 d 1956. Mar Jennie Graham in 1904 who died in 1930 and Anna Dielman in 1940
    • Anne b 1906 d 1907
    • John Joseph b 1907 d 1994. Mar Frances McGuinness 1933
      • Mary Jane b 1937 d 2019
      • John Joseph b 1939
      • Frances b 1943
      • Elizabeth b 1953
    • Joseph P b 1908 d 1910
    • Jane b 1910 d 2008
    • Sarah b 1912 d 1984
    • Walter F b 1914 d 1934
    • Loretta Irene b 1915 d 1990
    • Thomas Edward b 1917 d 1990. Mar Margaret Harvey 1941
      • Margaret
      • William Patrick
      • Thomas E b 1848 d 2017
    • Lawrence Joseph b 1919 d 2007. Mar Catherine Borsch 1940
      • Kathleen Patricia b 1942 b 2019
      • Laurence Michael b 1945 d 1969
      • Laura Anne b 1955
    • Helen b 1921 d 2016
    • Philip Joseph b 1924 d 1997. Mar Adeline Buonocore 1947
      • Philip R b 1949
      • Lorraine M b 1952
  • Joseph Patrick Hayde and Anna Dorry

A photo of William in the early 1900s is below. William (b 1883) is on the left with a pint of Guinness in his hand!:

John (b 1852) and Celia Flanagan (and Catherine Hunter)

John married Celia Flanagan in 1880 and they had 4 children. Walter in 1883, John in 1885, Theodore in 1888 and Frank in 1889.

Celia died in 1895 and John remarried Catherine Hunter in 1900 and they had a daughter, Gertrude in 1904.

Walter, John and Theodore all married and had children.  Descendants are in Westchester, New Jersey, Ohio as well as New York.

The descendants are:

  • Walter Edward Hayde and Caroline Rieger
    • Dorothy b 1922
  • John Hayde and Anastasia Butler
    • Edward Francis b 1906 d 1967. Mar Anna McCaffney
      • Anne Susan b 1932 d 2009
      • Marylin b 1935
      • Edward F b 1940
    • John Joseph b 1913 d 1998. Mar Marion Tompkins
      • Linda b 1939
    • Jane Alice b 1922
  • Theodore Vincent Hayde and Julie McCue
    • Walter b 1914 d 1915
    • Vincent Richard b 1916 d 1996. Mar Genevieve Hamed
      • Vincent RJ b 1940 d 2001
      • Dennis b 1845 d 2000
    • Francis James b 1919 d 2010. Mar Julia Karchevski
    • Catherine Teresa b 1923
  • Frank Hayde – not married

Edward (b 1859) and Margaret Kieran (and Mary Hopkins)

Edward married Margaret Kieran in 1883.  They had 3 children. Loretta in 1883, William J in 1886 and Edward in 1888.

Margaret died in 1887 and Edward remarried a widow, Mary Hopkins.  They had a further son, Walter Joseph in 1892.

Edward, a fireman, died in 1890 (aged 31) and Mary remarried a Martin Foley in 1908. In 1900, Loretta and William were with an uncle (Nicholas Kenny – prob Kieran) and Edward was with Margaret Leahey (in laws – probably Liddy).

William J died in 1903 before he had a family.  Edward married however he did not appear to have any children. Walter Joseph married and descendants are in New Jersey, Florida and well as New York. Descendants are:

  • Walter Joseph Hayde and Winifred Morton
    • Mary b 1915. Mar De Casto
    • Martin Patrick 1917
    • Walter J b 1920 d 1988. Mar Catherine Denig
      • Walter
      • Mary Ellen. Mar Grimes
      • Nancy. Mar Ep
    • Joseph William b 1926

The detailed family tree for this branch can be viewed at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51532280/family

A more detailed history of parts of this family can be seen at: http://hayde-dorry-family-reunion.webs.com/haydehistory.htm

Killenaule, Tipperary, Ireland

 Tree # 10  1 Response »
Oct 192022
 

As outlined in the Irish Research page, a Richard Head was at Mortelstown at the time of the 1666/7 Hearth records. This is a village just south of Killenaule and for the purposes of this web site, I have treated it as a separate family from the others around Ballinure and Killballyherberry.

He is probably one of the O’Hea families in Middlethird in the 1659 census.

There is no surviving 1766 census records for this area so the Catholic parish records and the Tithe taxes in 1830 need to be relied upon to pick up the thread of ancestors.

In 1828, a John Headd was at Pike Road, Killenaule and by 1850 Richard Hade was at the same place. A Richard Hayde was at Cashel Road, Killenaule in 1849 according to the Cashel Poor Law Rate Books. John Hayd was a blacksmith in the 1856 Slaters Directory of Killenaule. The valuation records of the 1850s showed that Richard had at forge at his house on Main Street, which became Pike St.

The Killenaule parish records showed:

Richard mar Maria Bradshaw in 1824. They were at Main St (with John, his father, next door) and Pike St, Killenaule in the 1840s to 1870s. Pike St runs off Main St as can be seen from the Griffiths map reproduced below. Richard seems to have died in the 1870s and Maria took over the property at Main St. They had:

  • Ellen Hayde b 1825, Killenaule
  • Bridget Hayd b 1826, Killenaule. Mar Patrick Delahunty 1865. Albany, NY in 1871. D 1892
  • Joanna Hayd b 1828, Killenaule
  • Mary Hayde b 1833, Killenaule. Mar Patrick Quinlan. Emigrated to London.
  • William Hayde b 1836, Killenaule
  • Richard Hayde b 1841, Killenaule. Mar Mary Brien 1856.
    • James Hayde b 1857, Foulkestown (a parish bordering Killenaule parish)
    • Mary Hayde b 1859, Foulkestown
    • Bridget Hayde b 1861
    • Catherine Hayde b 1862, Foulkestown
    • James Hayde b 1864, Foulkestown. Mar Anastasia. D Pennsylvania 1944
      • Cecelia Hayde b 1903, NY
    • Marg Hade b 1867
    • Mary Hayde b 1869, Foulkestown. Mar 1896
    • Patrick Hayde b 1871, Foulkestown
  • Patrick Hayde b 1845, Killenaule

The valuation records showed Richard arriving at Foulkestown in 1857.

This family seems to have either left the area of died out.

There is also:

John and Peggy Ryan. They married in 1832 as Haid from Killenaule. John is probably a brother of Richard. I have found no children or descendants.

I have treated this family as part of Tree # 10. The tree can be viewed at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/53054467/family?cfpid=13448753135

Richard (and John) are probably descendants of Richard and Margaret Croagh who had the following children in this parish:

  • Maria Heade b 1750
  • Thomas Head b 1762
  • Jacob (James) Heade b 1765. Mar Elizabeth Wilson 1795.

    • Joannes (John) Head b 1796. Mar Mary Maher
      • James Hayde b 1825, Cashel parish
      • Cath Hayde b 1828, Mockershill (by Monameagh, Cashel parish)
      • Richard Head b 1831, Boherangh
      • Tom Hayde b 1833, Ballincloragh
      • Mary Heade b 1836, Curraghtarsna (borders Mockershill)
    • Michael b 1798
  • Patrick Head b 1767
  • Richard Heade b 1770

Given the uncommon use of Richard, the families passing this name down the generations are probably related. The precise connection cannot be proven from the surviving records.

The detailed research notes for this area can be seen at Ballinure and Killenaule area – Trees 1 ,6 ,8, 9 and 10

There were also three other families in this parish (of Killenaule) in the mid 1700s. These were:

1) Patrick and Joanna Fogerty from Killenaule who married in 1752

  • Ellen Heade b 1755

2) Michael and Ellen Wilson who married in 1792

  • Joannes (John) Head b 1793, Killenaule
  • Ellen Head b 1794

I have found no obvious descendants of these two families.

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