Oct 292017

As outlined in the Irish Research page, there were two relevant families in the Ballinure and Noan area in 1659. From the 1665/6/7 Heath records these can be seen as:

  • John at Ballinure (a townland in the civil parishes of Graystown and Ballysheehan and the Catholic parishes of Killenuale and Boherlahan and Dualla)
  • Thomas at Graystown (Noan is a townland in the civil parish of Graystown and the Catholic parish of Killenaule)

No records from the 1766 Religious census exist for this area so the Catholic parish records and the Tithe taxes in 1830 need to be relied upon to pick up the thread of ancestors.

The following families were in the Tithe records of 1830:

  • John Heade. John was at Noan. He married Elizabeth Wilson and they had a family in the late 1700s/early 1800s.
  • Edmund Heade. Edmund was at Noan. He married Ellen Carroll and they had a family in the early 1800s.
  • James Heade. James was at Noan. He married Catherine Carty and they had a family in the early 1800s. One son was at Carrow in 1850 and another at # 13 or 15 Noan in 1850. Descendants are in Noan, Ballinure and America as outlined below.

Ballinure and Noan were adjoining villages as can be seen from the map below.

These families were:

John and Elizabeth Wilson – Noan 1830

  • James Head b 1796
  • Michael Head b 1800

Edmond and Ellen CarrollNoan in 1830

  • Ellen Head b 1815, Ballinure
  • Mary Hayde b 1822, Ballinure

James and Catherine Carty – Noan in 1830 – Tree # 10

  • Ellen Hade b 1814. Mar James Fair in 1843 and emigrated 1848 to America. Settled in Wisconsin
  • James Hayde b 1818, Ballinure. Mar Cath Quinlan. Carrow in 1850 as Hayde. In 1850 they were in a house on the main road between Ballinure and Dually. They moved from this house in the 1860s and were in Thurles in 1880s-1908.
    • Mary Hayd b 1846, Carrow (a townland north of Dually)
    • James Hayd b 1849, Carrow
    • Denis Hayde b 1851, Carrow
    • Thomas Head b 1854, Garraun
  • Edmond b ?. Mar Margaret Byrne – Noan (#13 or 15) as Hayde in 1850
    • Patrick Hayde b 1839, Ballinure
    • Ellen Hayde b 1842, Ballinure
    • Margaret Hayde b 1844, Piercetown (Noan) – Mar Boston in 1873
    • Edmond Hayde b 1847, Piercetown. Mar Mary Shea.
      • Had a family in Ballinure. Some emigrated to Boston in early 1900s.
    • Richard Hayde b 1852. Mar Margaret Ellie, Boston 1882. They did not appear to have any children.
    • Kate Hayde b 1853, Piercetown
    • Alice Hayde b 1855, Ballinure – Died Boston 1887
    • Mary Hayde b 1857, Ballinure – Emigrated to Boston

By the time of the Griffiths records in 1850, there was also the following family in the area:

Patrick Hayde married Margaret Loughlin at Ballinure in 1846 – 12a Ballinure in 1850. This is in the subtownland of Piercetown

  • Mary Heade b 1847, Ballinure

They also had a Patrick….

There are also other Hayde/Heade and Hade families in the early parish records as can be seen from the detailed research notes made from the parish records, the civil records, valuation records, directories, graveyards and the 1901 and 1911 census for this area in Ballinure and Killenaule Families

These include:

Patrick and Joanna Power – Tree # 6

Patrick joined the army at Kilkenny in 1842.  One of his children were baptised in Killenaule parish which links him to the family.  This family is described in more detail in the Bury Posts page.

The DNA of a descendant is also very similar to descendants of Trees # 1, # 9 and # 10 which also links him to this area.

Edmond and Catherine Liddy. Edmond died 1865 aged 40. It is not entirely clear from the parish records who his parents were. Catherine and family emigrated to New York in the late 1860s. This is Tree # 9 and is described in more detail in the New York posts page.

Is he 9d Noan 1850 as Hayde?

  • Patrick Hayde b 1850, Ballinure
  • John Heade b 1852, Ballinure
  • Cath Hayde b 1853
  • Elizabeth Hayde b 1855, Ballinure
  • Ellen Hayde b 1857, Ballinure
  • Edmund Hayde b 1859, Ballinure
  • Mary Hayde b 1861
  • Bridget Hayde b 1863, Ballinure

The Griffiths map of the area in the 1850s is below:

Ballinure is the village in the centre.

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Ballinure can also be seen at the modern map below.

Center map


The original parish church in Ballinure is now rather dilapidated as can be seen from the photo below.

This church is just outside Ballinure on the road to Dually.  It has several Hayde graveyards.

I suspect all the Hayde families from Killhill, Killenaule, Ballinure and Noan gathered at this church.

Oct 222017

Edward and Catherine

Edward and Catherine Liddy/Leadon had 8 children in the Killenaule parish in Tipperary, Ireland in the 1850s and 1860s. They were living in Ballinure at the time. Their origins are outlined in the Ballinure posts page.

Edward died of a fever in the Cashel workhouse aged 40 on 20 March 1865, leaving Catherine and the 8 children of:

  • Patrick b 1850
  • John b 1852
  • Catherine b 1853
  • Elizabeth b 1855
  • Ellen b 1857
  • Edward b 1859
  • Mary b 1861
  • Bridget b 1863

The Ireland land valuation records showed that they probably lived at plot 12 in Ballinure in the 1850s. At the time, Hayde families lived on plots 10, 12a, 19 and 17b. These were all small plots of land centered around the villages of Ballinure and Noan.

The valuation records showed that they left this plot in the late 1860s – which is consistent with the death of Edward and their emigration to America.

In 1870, Cath was with sons Patrick and John in New York. Also with them was John Leddy, presumably a brother of Caths’.

Patrick probably arrived in 1868 although I have not found any arrival records of the others nor of John Leddy. Edwards’ naturalization records of 1886 said he arrived 1871. Patrick was naturalized 1872 and John 1876. Patrick was a driver (probably of a train), John a brakeman and Edward a fireman when they were naturalized.

By 1880, Patrick had married Sarah Wiley and John had been joined by Edward, Kate and Nellie (Ellen). Patrick was at W 35th St and the others at W 32nd St in Manhattan. Mary also emigrated to NY and married a Michael Smith.  There are no records of Elizabeth and Bridget arriving in America and they presumably died in Ireland.

Patrick (b 1850) and Sarah Wiley

Patrick and Sarah Wiley had 3 children. Cathy in 1876, William James in 1883 and Joseph Patrick in 1886. Patrick died in 1889 and Sarah remarried Christopher Kruger, who had died by 1900. She appears to have had Eugene 1890, Walter 1892 and Sadie 1894 to him. Sarah became a McCarthy in 1903.

William James and Joseph Patrick both married twice and many descendants in New York can trace themselves back to one of these two families.

The descendants are:

  • William James Hayde and Mary Lee
    • James b 1903
    • William b 1906
    • Robert b 1911
    • Dorothy b 1911
    • Edward b 1913
    • Francis b 1915
    • George b 1918
    • Walter b 1920
    • Harold b 1922
    • Raymond b 1926
  • William James Hayde and new wife
    • John b ?
    • Annette b ?
  • Joseph Patrick Hayde and Jennie Graham
    • John Joseph b 1907
    • Joseph P b 1908
    • Jane b 1910
    • Sarah b 1912
    • Walter F b 1914
    • Loretta b 1915
    • Thomas F b 1917
    • Lawrence Joseph b 1919
    • Helen b 1921
    • Philip J b 1924
  • Joseph Patrick Hayde and Anna Dorry

A photo of William in the early 1900s is below. William is on the left with a pint of Guinness in his hand!:

John (b 1852) and Celia Flanagan (and Catherine Hunter)

John married Celia Flanagan about 1882 and they had 4 children. Walter in 1883, John in 1885, Theodore in 1888 and Frank in 1889.

Celia died in 1895 and John remarried Catherine Hunter in 1900 and they had a daughter, Gertrude in 1904.

Walter, John and Theodore all married and had children.  Descendants are in Westchester, New Jersey, Ohio as well as New York.

The descendants are:

  • Walter Edward Hayde and Caroline Rieger
    • Dorothy b 1922
  • John Hayde and Anastasia Butler
    • Edward Francis b 1906
    • John Joseph b 1913
    • Jane Alice b 1922
  • Theodore Thomas Hayde and Julie McCue
    • Walter b 1914
    • Vincent Richard b 1916
    • Francis J b 1919
    • Catherine Teresa b 1923
  • Frank Hayde – not married

Edward (b 1859) and Margaret Kieran (and Mary Hopkins)

Edward married Margaret Kieran in 1883.  They had 3 children. Loretta in 1883, William J in 1886 and Edward in 1888.

Margaret died in 1887 and Edward remarried a widow, Mary Hopkins.  They had a further son, Walter Joseph in 1892.

Edward, a fireman, died in 1890 (aged 31) and Mary remarried a Martin Foley in 1908. In 1900, Loretta and William were with an uncle (Nicholas Kenny – prob Kieran) and Edward was with Margaret Leahey (in laws – probably Liddy).

William J died in 1903 before he had a family.  Edward married however he did not appear to have any children. Walter Joseph married and descendants are in New Jersey, Florida and well as New York. Descendants are:

  • Walter Joseph Hayde and Winifred Morton
    • Mary b 1915
    • Martin Patrick 1917
    • Walter J b 1920
    • Joseph William b 1926

The detailed family tree for this branch can be viewed at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51532280/family

A more detailed history of parts of this family can be seen at: http://hayde-dorry-family-reunion.webs.com/haydehistory.htm