Oct 202022
 

James Haide and Nich Head

As mentioned in the Irish Research page, a James Hiade from Derryluskan, Rathcoole was in the Hearth Money records in 1665/6/7. He was probably one of the 10 families shown in the 1659 census of the area.

In 1766:

  • A James Head was at Rathcoole. This is close to Derryluskan. Godfrey Taylor and John Langley were listed as protestants on this census record.
  • A Nich Head was at Railstown. Railstown is between Coolmoyne and Monameagh.

This area is in the middle of the triangle between Cashel, Fethard and Ballinure.

At the time of the Tithe taxes in the 1820s, there were 3 families in this area that could have descended from James or Nich. These are:

  1. Thomas Heade and Mary Dustil and Thomas Hayde and Catherine Cuddihy at Monameagh
  2. Patrick Headd and Mary Glifson at Coolmoyne
  3. Widow Heade at Brickeen

These areas can be seen on the map below:

It is entirely possible that these families may link more directly back to other areas. For example, Monameagh is just south of Dually where Trees # 1, 9 and 10 can be traced back to.  The elder Thomas in Monameagh may well be a son of Richard and Margaret Croagh who had a Thomas in 1762 in Killenaule parish, however this of course is speculation.

For the purposes of this web site, these families are treated as descendants of either James Hiade from Derryluskan or Nich Head from Railtown.

Monameagh

In the Monameagh, Cashel parish in 1827, a Thomas Heade and Mary Dustil (or Portal) farmed a 1a 0r 0p plot owned by Lady Caroline Damer while a son, Thos Hayde (b 1799) and Catherine Cuddihy farmed a very small plot owned by Lord Portlington.

Thomas and Catherine married in 1821 (as Hade) and had at least 6 children in the 1820s and 1830s. By 1850 Thomas had died and his wife Catherine was farming 1a 1 r 23p on land owned by Thomas Dwyer (who was the major landowner in Monameagh at this time). Catherine was in the Cashel Poor Law Rate Books in 1849 and in the valuation records up until circa 1856.

The family can be seen as:

Thomas and Mary Dustil

  • Nicholas Heade b 1794. Mar Mary Barona
    • Mary Haide b 1823
    • James Heade b 1824
    • William Hayde b 1827, Mayfield
    • Catherine Head b 1829
    • Elizabeth Hayde b 1832, Mayfield
    • Ellen Hayde b 1834
    • Patrick Hayde b 1837
    • Nicholas Hayde b 1840, Mayfield
  • Catherine Heade b 1797
  • Thomas Hede b 1799. Mar Cath Cuddihy 1821.
    • Marg Hayde b 1821
    • Patrick Hayde b 1826. Emigrated to America and settled in Kansas.  This family is Tree # 12 and is detailed further in the Kansas posts page.
    • Michael Hayde b 1826
    • Nicholas Hayde b 1828, Monameagh
    • Ellen Hayde b 1831
    • Catherine Hayde b 1835

There was also a Thomas born 1821 who could be from this area. He was a mason in the civil war records.  He arrived USA 1848 according to 1900 census. He was a widower in 1900.

Monameagh is:

Co. Tipperary, Ireland

Coolmoyne

Patrick and Mary Glifson

Patrick and Mary farmed a small plot in 1827. Their children were:

  • James Hayde b 1809
  • Richard Hayde b 1811. In valuation records until 1856
  • Michael Hayde b 1816
  • Catherine Hayde b 1818

Patrick defaulted on his tithes in the 1830s. By 1850, Mary Hayde was farming 3 acres of the part of Coolmoyne owned by the Taylor family.  This family originates from Nathaniel Taylor, an officer in Cromwell’s army, who was granted an estate of approximately 1,000 acres in the barony of Slievardagh, county Tipperary, including the townland of Noan in 1666. His grandson, Lovelace Taylor, purchased Ballinure in 1742.

Lovelace’s son Godfrey Taylor of Noan, county Tipperary, married as his second wife, Lydia, daughter and heir of Nicholas Bacon, in 1758. Edward Taylor of Noan, barony of Slievardagh, county Tipperary, married Elizabeth Hewetson of Kilkenny and had three sons who all died childless and a daughter Anne. Edward died in 1802 and was succeeded by his son Nathaniel who died in 1828. His daughter Anne married John Bagwell of Kilmore in 1819 and the Bagwell family was in possession of this estate by the mid 19th century. It was sold to Stanley Black in 1853.

A younger brother of Edward, Nathanial Taylor, inherited Ballinure, a townland bordering Noan, but without a residence. Godfrey L. Taylor of Durrow, Queen’s County (Laois), owned 996 acres in county Tipperary in the 1870s. In the mid 19th century the Taylor estate was in the parishes of Graystown, barony of Slievardagh, Peppardstown and Rathcool, barony of Middlethird. The estate of the trustees of the will of Godfrey Taylor at Rathkenny, barony of Middlethird, county Tipperary, was advertised for sale in May 1854.

Godfrey Taylor was the landowner at Coolmoyne where Hayde families were present from 1766.

Mayfield, Co. Tipperary, Ireland

Brickeen

Brickendown is in the same area as Mayfield. It is not entirely clear who this widow Heade is from the parish records.

Co. Tipperary, Ireland

Other families in the Cashel parish records (which started in 1793) are:

Thomas and Catherine Brophy

  • James Heade b 1795. Possibly moved to Ballinree
  • Honor Heade b 1797

Edmund and Margaret Mullane

  • John Heade b 1798. Mar Cath Ryan in 1822 as Hade

Nicholas and Nancy Wall

  • John Heade b 1799. Mar Mary Connors
    • John Hayde b 1826

James and Mary Herrick. James died Mayfield 1816.

  • James Hayde b 1806
  • Bridget Hayde b 1808

John and Mary Heffernan

  • Catherine Hayde b 1815
  • John Hayde b 1817
  • Bridget Hayde b 1821

There are also families in later time periods which cannot be easily traced to any of the above. The detailed Cashel records provide more information at Cashel area – Tree # 12

  6 Responses to “Cashel, Tipperary”

  1. Is there any record of a Caroline Taylor marrying a catholic Wall from that Taylor family we have connections to Hefferins Walls and Taylors in that Parish, Ballinure

  2. My surname is Condon Ballinure

  3. David,

    I found your Hayde Family History site packed with great information.

    My Great Great Grandmother Mary Carroll was baptized 23 Dec 1833 in Boherlahan & Dualla RC church records. Her parents are Thomas Carroll and Ellen Hayd of Ballyherberry. Later in Toledo, Ohio she says she is from Colraine Tipperary. She has two sisters: Catherine 1835 Ballyherberry and Margaret 1836 Kill Hill. Both baptized in the same parish.

    I believe I have found the parents’ marriage at Cashel RC parish on 14 Feb 1833, though the bride is shown with no first name. Thomas is from Dualla and the Hayd bride is from Mayfield.

    How do you see this family fitting in the tree?

    I saw your Y DNA analysis. Is there autosomal comparisons that can be made?

    We were just in the Cashel and Dualla area and met, first name pronounced Ger Hayde in Cashel who told us about your previous visit. I have a public tree on Ancestry Gunnis family Tree with username Milfordshores.

    I would appreciate your comments.

    James Gunnis
    New Jersey

    • James. I have looked at your tree and the baptisms you have mentioned. There is a chance that Ellen (who married Thomas Carroll in 1833) was born in 1815 to Edmond Head and Ellen Carroll in Ballinure. It’s the only baptism that fits time wise. There are many Carroll families in and around the Ballinure, Killballyherry, Ballyherberry, Coleraine, Cashel area at the time. I am pretty sure that the Hayde family in Mayfield is connected to the Ballinure families but I don’t have the paper records to prove this. I’m relying upon DNA to prove the connections. I have done ancestry as well as familytreeDNA tests. I have done an ancestry family finder test. I will see if I can get any hits with your tree.

      Regards

      David

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