A few Hayde families were in the areas north west of Ballinure and Ballingarry by 1800. They were not in the 1659 census or 1665/6/7 Hearth Money Records so they must have originated from Tipperary south and moved to this area in the 1700s.
These families can be summarised as:
- Patrick and Michael Heade, born circa 1800, who were in Kilduff in the 1830s. They were not in this village at the time of the Tithe records in 1827 and appear to have moved there when they married in 1829 and 1832 respectively.
- James Heyde who was in Galbertstown Lower in 1850. Parish records show that he (as James Hayde) married Cath Cantwell in 1845 and the parish record stated that he was from Killenaule.
- John Hayde and Margaret Shanahan who were probably in Killough (by Galbertstown Lower) in 1850. He was from Leigh.
- James and Mary Meagher/Maher who were in Ballinree at the time of the Tithes. This is in Boherlahan parish however their first child was born in Leigh in Leigh.
- Other families in Borris and Leigh that were in the parish but don’t feature in the Tithes of Griffiths.
- Patrick, born circa 1790, and Judith Ryan who had a family in the Thurles area in the early 1800s.
These places can be seen in the Catholic parish map below. Kilduff is highlighted at the top of the map in Templemore, Thurles Township, Galbertstown Lower and Leigh (and Borris) are in the Thurles parish.
These families are grouped as Tree # 7 and are detailed at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/51257626/family
Kilduff (Templemore Parish)
In the 1830s, Patrick and Michael were in Kilduff, a town in the foothills of the Kilduff mountains north west of Templemore. There was no sign of this family in the Tithe records. In the Griffiths records was Mary Headon was in the Griffiths records of 1850. She was the wife of Michael as I have traced them via the valuation books, as Heade, at the same address. She was in the valuation records until around 1856.
Walkers Hibernian Magazine from the Tipperary Archives has a reference that refers to a Miss Hayde from Kilduff, Limerick, who married a John Smithwick in 1791. She was the daughter of Richard Hayde from Castleleak, Tipperary. (This is probably Castlelake, a townland west of Cashel). Killdiff is a parish in Limerick and is different to the townland in Templemore. I don’t believe this reference is related.
Patrick and Michael were possibly the children of Pierce (Peter) and Mary Shanahan from Borris who had a Patrick and John Heade in Moycarky in 1801 and 1807 respectively. Michael could be another brother.
James who witnessed the marriage of Patrick in 1829 could be another brother.
Interestingly, there is a DNA match between a descendant of this family and that of the Ballinure, Tipperary families. The match is estimated as 5th to 8th cousins which, if assuming 25 years in a generation, makes the common ancestor between 1800 and 1900. Given that paper records show that it is not after 1820ish, then it must be very close to 1800.
Kilduff is shown on the map below:
Patrick B abt 1800 and Mary Mooney (b 1804)
Patrick and Mary married in Drom and Inch parish in 1829. Patrick was from Templemore. The marriage was witnessed by James Heade, presumably a brother. The children were baptised in the Templemore parish.
Patrick seems to have died some time between 1847 (when his last child was born) and 1861 when Mary (his wife) and the surviving children were in Tonge, Middleton, Lancashire, England.
They were at no 6a Kilduff in the valuation records up until around 1850.
Their children were:
- Nicholas Heade b 1831, Kilduff. D before 1861
- John Heade b 1833, Kilduff. D 1898 Oldham
- Patrick Heade b 1835, Kilduff. Patrick went to Ayr in Scotland looking for work and met a Lavina Kelly who he married in 1866. This family is outlined in more detail in the Middleton posts page.
- Anne/Hannah Heade b 1837, Kilduff
- Mary Heade b 1839, Kilduff
- Pierce/Peter Heade b 1842, Kilduff. Mar Mary Premo. Peter emigrated to America in 1868, married in 1874 and settled in Detroit, Michigan. Their children are variously named Hade and Hayde. This family is described further at the Detroit posts page.
- Bridget Heade b 1844, Kilduff
- Margaret Heade b 1847, Kilduff
The descendants of Patrick and Mary settled in Middleton, England. They are described further in the Oldham and Middleton Posts page. The descendants of Peter and Mary can be described further in the Detroit page.
Michael b abt 1810 and Mary Mahoney
Michael and Mary married in Templemore parish in 1832. They were from Kilduff. Pat Heade (probably the Pat above) was a witness.
Michael and Mary were at 7d Kilduff in the valuation records up to circa 1856. Michael’s name was changed to Mary’s which indicate that Michael died.
Descendants appear in Queensland by 1874. I have not found any trace of their emigration records.
Their children were:
- Patrick Heade b 1833, Kilduff (presumably died before 1836)
- Pierce Heade b 1834, Kilduff, D 1913 Australia
- Patrick Heade b 1836, Kilduff. Mar Mary McMahon 1874, Queensland. D 1920
- Michael James Hade b 1875, Queensland. Mar Sarah Mary Fanning 1902. D 1936
- Mary Hade b 1902, Warwick, Queensland
- William Patrick Hade b 1904, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Gertrude Lilian Newman. D 1971
- Mary Ellen Hade, b 1907, Warwick, Queensland
- Sarah Agnes Hade b 1909, Warwick, Queensland
- Michael John Hade b 1911, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Dorothy Agnes Rose. D 1973
- Kevin James Hade b 1913, Warwick, Queensland. Mar Kathleen May Roche. D 1988
- Vincent Kevin Hade b 1940 d 2006
- Mary Anne Hade b 1877, Queensland. Mar Patrick John Ryan 1898. D 1916
- Susan Agnes Head b 1879, Queensland. Mar Thomas John Ryan 1902. D 1960
- Michael James Hade b 1875, Queensland. Mar Sarah Mary Fanning 1902. D 1936
- Ann Heade b 1838, Kilduff
- Mary Heade b 1839, Kilduff
- Bridget Heade b 1843, Templemore
- Michael Heade b 1845, Templemore
- Sarah Head b 1849, Kilduff. Mar Nicholas Leone 1877 and Charles Kolass 1905. D 1912
DNA testing of a descendant of Patrick’s has shown a link to Tree # 1 from Killenaule parish.
Moycarky Parish
In Moycarky parish there were:
- Pierce (Peter) and Mary Shanahan who had Patrick Heade and John Heade in 1801 and 1807 in Borris. They appeared to be the earliest families in the Moycarky parish. They however did not feature in the tithes in the 1830s. Patrick possibly moved to Killduff and married Mary Mooney.
- John and Margaret Shanahan who had a family in Leigh in the 1810s. They were possibly in Killough (by Galbertstown Lower) in 1829 and 1850.
- James and Mary Meagher/Maher who were in the Tithe records at Ballinree in 1827 and had:
- Tom Head in 1817, Leigh, Tipp Nth
- William Hayde 1818, Ballinree
- Nancy Heade 1821, Ballinree
- Mary Head 1824, Ballinree
- Jas or John Hayd 1833, Ballinree
- James Heyde who was in Galbertstown Lower in 1850. Parish records show that he (as James Hayde) married Cath Cantwell in 1845 and the parish record stated that he was from Killenaule. James and Cath moved to Thurles (as Hayde) in the 1870s and were running a grocery shop in town in the 1880s. James died 1898 and Cath 1908. Cath was possibly baptised Cashel parish in 1832.
The Holycross Old Graveyard contains the grave of Catherine Hayde died 1908. The gravestone was erected by Alderman Edward Cantwell, presumably her brother.
These families may have originated in Ballingarry or Killenuale and then moved around.
The DNA link between the Kilduff family and those in Killenuale show the link to Killenaule.
Thurles Township
Patrick b abt 1880 and Judith Ryan
I have found the records of 3 children of Patrick and Judith Ryan from Thurles parish. These are:
- James Heade b 1808
- John Hade b 1811. John married Mary Ann Campbell in Leamington, Warwickshire in 1837. They had:
- John George Hade b 1838, Leamington. Mar Caroline (Letitia) Holtom 1862.
- George Hade b 1862, Leamington
- Arthur George b 1865, Oxfordshire. D 1889
- Mary Lydia Hade b 1867, Worcestershire
- Elizabeth Hade b 1871, Worcestershire
- James Hade b 1840, Leamington. Mar Sophia 1866
- Thomas Hade b 1842, Leamington. Mar Isabella 1887
- Mary Anne Hade b 1845, Leamington
- Elizabeth Hade b 1850, Leamington
- John George Hade b 1838, Leamington. Mar Caroline (Letitia) Holtom 1862.
- Patrick Heade/Hade b 1821. Patrick married Mary Roche in 1843 when he was living at Boolabeha, a village 5 miles to the north east of Thurles. They had 2 children baptised in the Thurles parish and by 1851 they were on Alderney, in the Channel Islands. One daughter, Mary Hade was in Warwickshire in 1881. This family is described further in the Channel Islands posts page.
The baptism of James in 1808 noted their address as New Street, which is probably in Littleton.
Patrick, the elder, was recorded as a clerk in 1808. It is interesting to speculate what clerical work he was doing at the time and indeed how he managed to obtain the skills.
Thomas Hayde b 1818
A Thomas Hayde from Littleton (b circa 1818 – 1823), joined the Dublin Met Police in 1850 (aged 27) and could also have been another son of Pat and Judith Ryan. He died a bachelor in 1864 (aged 46).
Michael Hayde b 1829
A Michael Butler Hayde b 1829 joined the RIC and then the army (43rd then 30th Foot) in Dublin in 1850. His army records stated he was born Moycarky parish, near Thurles. He served in the Crimean War in 1855 and retired as a colour sergeant to Dublin after 21 years service.
In the 1901 census he was aged 65 (born 1836!), a widower, in Clonmel with his sister Catherine Ryan (a widow) b 1846 and Catherine (b 1877) and Mary Roache (b 1899) (niece and grand niece). The 1901 census referenced his army regiment so we can be sure of this connection.
Catherine Ryan (b 1877) mar Michael Roach at St Mary’s, Clonmel in 1898. Her father was Michael Ryan, an artisan (dec). Mary Christine Roach was born Clonmel 17 Dec 1898 to Michael Roach (a soldier) and Catherine Roche nee Ryan. Catherine Ryan, grandmother, was present. Mary Roche mar John O’Connor in 1919, moved to England and then emigrated to Australia in 1955.
I have not found the baptisms of Michael (b 1829) or his sister Catherine (b 1846).
By 1911, Michael was aged 80 (b 1831) and was with nephew Michael Ryan (ie son of Catherine Ryan his sister) aged 29 (b England 1882) and g child Mary Bridget Ryan (b Clonmel 1902).
Michael was possibly in Balrothey, Dublin in 1873 where he had a daughter Ellen with his wife Eliz O’Connell. I have not found any record of the deaths of Ellen or Eliz O’Connell.
James Hayde b 1826
There is also a James Hayde who joined the RIC in 1849. He was recorded as being born in Tipperary North in 1826. He resigned in 1853 and emigrated to America. He travelled on Compromise from Liverpool which arrived in New York on 7 Sept 1853. I have however not found him in any American census or other records.
The detailed research notes can be seen at Tipperary North Families
Detailed research notes regarding Limerick can be found at Limerick Families
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